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Author Topic: Anyone interested in secession?  (Read 6220 times)

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Anyone interested in secession?
« on: November 20, 2007, 11:40 PM NHFT »

I think it would send an awesome message to the federal government if NH seceded from the union.  We also wouldn't have to pay income tax and financially support unjust wars....  I'm new here so I don't know anything about our goals.  Is this one of the political goals we are trying to achieve?  or is it taboo?
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 11:54 PM NHFT »

I think it would send an awesome message to the federal government if NH seceded from the union.  We also wouldn't have to pay income tax and financially support unjust wars....  I'm new here so I don't know anything about our goals.  Is this one of the political goals we are trying to achieve?  or is it taboo?

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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 12:15 AM NHFT »

So what's FSP's stance on secession?

BTW, what's karma and how does it work?
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 12:24 AM NHFT »

So what's FSP's stance on secession?
FSP has no stance on any specific issue.

Secession was discussed ("plotted" would not be a completely improper description) at the NH Liberty Alliance Constitution Training. Video of the secession-related bit is here
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 12:25 AM NHFT »

So what's FSP's stance on secession?

BTW, what's karma and how does it work?

FSP takes no political stances. They simply urge you to move to a state where you are close enough to your government to make a difference. And many FSPers are invoved in doing great work at the statehouse, or in their local town groups, against corruption, spending, and loss of freedoms.

You asked how we felt about it and weighed in with my opinions and others may vary. To expound, I think it's a waste of time. In NH we were just taken over by the Democrats for the first time in 80 years. Now we are losing freedoms by the dozens and our taxes and budgets have gone sky high. We are about to be fleeced with a court order to 'define' education and pay for it at the state level.

We need to work on getting the state BACK to fiscal sanity first, let alone ask people to secede. This bunch in power loves government more than ever and you think you can ask them to secede, To where? The UN bio-region? Geesh. (Then again maybe these lefty statists we have in the legislature now would love that...)


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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 12:53 AM NHFT »

Yuck, even NH is going towards socialism and big government?  Do we have any hope left in US?
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 01:17 AM NHFT »

Yuck, even NH is going towards socialism and big government?  Do we have any hope left in US?


Well we've had to brace for this, but I figured the arrival of 500 FSPers might help. Some do not like to get involved with this stuff, some do. I wish more would.
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 01:48 AM NHFT »

There's a whole area for secession talk on this forum.
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 04:17 AM NHFT »

When joining a discussion forum, it's always a good idea to lurk for a bit, and to search previous threads before blurting out something new.

As it turns out, secession isn't "something new". There's been a lot of discussion about it. See that "search" box above? Just type in "secession", and read to your heart's delight.

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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 05:57 AM NHFT »

So what's FSP's stance on secession?

BTW, what's karma and how does it work?

FSP takes no political stances. They simply urge you to move to a state where you are close enough to your government to make a difference. And many FSPers are invoved in doing great work at the statehouse, or in their local town groups, against corruption, spending, and loss of freedoms.

You asked how we felt about it and weighed in with my opinions and others may vary. To expound, I think it's a waste of time. In NH we were just taken over by the Democrats for the first time in 80 years. Now we are losing freedoms by the dozens and our taxes and budgets have gone sky high. We are about to be fleeced with a court order to 'define' education and pay for it at the state level.

We need to work on getting the state BACK to fiscal sanity first, let alone ask people to secede. This bunch in power loves government more than ever and you think you can ask them to secede, To where? The UN bio-region? Geesh. (Then again maybe these lefty statists we have in the legislature now would love that...)




They used that to get elected, but will never act on it... just dangle it in front of constituents that feel harmed by the property tax.
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 10:07 AM NHFT »

just dangle it in front of constituents that feel harmed by the property tax.

The Socialists are a step ahead of you.
When the "education adequacy" funding fiasco finally translates into money coming out of people's property taxes, a lot of people are literally going to lose their homes because they're unable to pay.

That's when they plan to introduce an income or sales tax... so spread the burden more equally and fairly.
If the voters of NH fall for it... they get in an income tax, and their property tax goes down for a few years, before it comes right back to where it was, and then we're like every other state.

Checkmate, unless fiscal conservatives regain control of the House or Senate in '08.

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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2007, 11:53 AM NHFT »

I meant the education funding fiasco will never translate into dollars beyond what we have today... it was only used as an election point.

The economics just doesn't work. They'll try to quilt something together like this mandatory kindergarten thing... but even that will be more costly than they suspect.

The State has always avoided a general income or sales tax because the Legislature would have to support business growth...
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2007, 12:45 PM NHFT »

Please don't take this the wrong way, as it's evident we are 100% on the same side of this issue.
But, having spent a lot of time observing House committees in the past year, I do not believe you fully appreciate the axe that is being sharpened for our state (to be fair, neither do 95%+ of the NH population)

I meant the education funding fiasco will never translate into dollars beyond what we have today
You are incorrect. We just got our first-ever $10 Billion budget.
Want to bet they're shooting for $13 Billion in 2008?
I'd be willing to put actual money on that prediction, by the way...

The economics just doesn't work. They'll try to quilt something together like this mandatory kindergarten thing... but even that will be more costly than they suspect.
The fact that the economics won't work is the last thing these people worry about. Have you testified before the Commerce committee lately? As a whole, they don't understand how basic supply-and-demand works in everyday situations. I am not exaggerating.

The State has always avoided a general income or sales tax because the Legislature would have to support business growth...
Wrong.
We have always avoided a general income or sales tax because we had a majority of legislators who did not actively want one.

THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE.
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2007, 11:56 PM NHFT »

:clap:


Yay Denis!

WHY do people fail to see the URGENCY OF THIS?
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Re: Anyone interested in secession?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 12:16 AM NHFT »

Yuck, even NH is going towards socialism and big government?  Do we have any hope left in US?


Well we've had to brace for this, but I figured the arrival of 500 FSPers might help. Some do not like to get involved with this stuff, some do. I wish more would.

That is sad.  I thought the whole point of FSP was to have activists, not ppl who will do nothing.  When I get there, I wana be like Alex Jones and bullhorn these issues in big towns.
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