MD speaks out against vaccines

[kola]

Now, there is the flip side: deaths from diseases have also gone down.

The CDC and the other conflict of interest "health groups" have articles and reserach that show a  decrease. There are also records that show an increase of a disease after the vaccinations.

I can presenrt serval legitmate articles and reports that show diseases increased after vaccination and they were later banned/stoppd/pulled from shelves because of it.

I can show you even where the CD and the heath pseudoscience grouipies even admitted the failure of flushots and how many times they habe recalled for contaimination. But you wont see much of that on the evening news nor will an MD tell you this.

it is evident by the comments I see and hear that the brainwashing is still working.

kola

[kola]

My point to kola is that he seems to have an almost superstitious opposition to technology—his reasoning is always based on a few bad examples, usually of dangerous or irresponsible misapplication of technology—which he blows up into a generalized fear of the entire technology in question.

My reasoning is based on over 12+ years of indepth study regarding vaccines. I can show you more than just a "few bad examples". Why not watch the video MTPorcupine posted. Why do you and other people continue to regurgitate material that is half truthed and flat out lies?

After coming to my own conclusions, vaccines are the main cause of all sickness and disease.

I challenge you to find parents who do not vaccinate themselves or their kids. Ask them about the health of their kids. There is a HUGE difference between the two. AND the fact that there has never been a case of Autism in an unvaccinated child. (there was acase in the amish community but it was later forund the child was adopted from a forign country and vaxed..yet still the media spun that around the best they could).

My advice for those who argue is to read with an open mind. If you want to continue your same train of thought then get you and your kids vaccinated and be guinae pigs for the pharm companaies. Just remember the medical industry and the government are one in the same.

Kola

[kola]

The danger isn't vaccination, it's mercury-containing vaccines. Take the mercury out, and then see if the vaccine is still harmful. I'd be willing to bet the answer would then be "no."

Point of Information -

Children are exposed to less mercury today then their parents ever were.

There has yet to be any conclusive proof of mercury causing autism, most mental disabilities, restless vagina syndrome, etc. Nearly all the literature you will find is authored by anti-vaccination activists, working backwards from their conclusion that vaccinations are inherently bad and using conjecture and outright fraud to prop up their claims. It's no different than "creation science".

And finally, there are no mercury containing preservatives used in administered vaccines. Mercury is used in preservatives for samples used for R&D only. It's cheaper. But when it comes to the vaccinations that get to market, they use more expensive, but mercury-free, preservatives.

Of course vaccination is a risk. It's essentially administering a dead or weakened for of the pathogen in question. But I for one, and most of the population at large, would prefer to minuscule risks associated with vaccination rather than the much larger likelyhood of contracting deadly diseases.

Any souces to cite for your incorrect opinions? or are you just regurgitating silly babble? It very amusing to see your level of knowledge.

Kola

[J’raxis 270145]

The danger isn't vaccination, it's mercury-containing vaccines. Take the mercury out, and then see if the vaccine is still harmful. I'd be willing to bet the answer would then be "no."

Its just not mercury. Study the entire topic and then we can talk. Stop basing your opinion on heresay and dig out the facts. Your proposal of taking out the mercury and all will be fine clearly shows you are uneducated in the topic of vaccines.

This is why I often get so frustrated.

I suppose I should have been clearer and said "the danger in this specific case." I don't dispute that there are other vaccines that are also dangerous in their own way. I dispute that "vaccination" is all-around dangerous. There are plenty of examples of vaccines that are beneficial and pose little to no danger to anyone. Most importantly, the scientific concept of vaccination is sound (expose the immune system to neutralized or similar viruses so it can preëmptively create antibodies for when it's exposed to the real thing).

[J’raxis 270145]

My advice for those who argue is to read with an open mind.

it is evident by the comments I see and hear that the brainwashing is still working.

Lol.

[kola]

Most importantly, the scientific concept of vaccination is sound (expose the immune system to neutralized or similar viruses so it can preëmptively create antibodies for when it's exposed to the real thing).

yes, that is what I thought years ago. That a vax was just a weakend virus floating calmly in saline water.

It is not that way, sorry. Again you level of knowledge shows or else you would have avoided saying that.
More Epiac?

There is whole lot more in that glass bottle and how it is processed is far from sanitary. Read about viral mutations and super bacterias. The flu vax is a guess and it mutates a billion times in a winter.

you speak of antibodies? another fallacy. There are many people humans and animals who have contracted a disease and have no signs of antibody buildup in their blood. These are called titer tests. So much for science huh?

It is really hard to discuss the vax issues when people have no knowledge or desire to look further. It is like a religous debate. The mind is set in stone and if there is any rocking of the boat many christians will gladly kill you for it.

brainwashed cults....and vaccines are a religion.

Kola

[J’raxis 270145]

I challenge you to find parents who do not vaccinate themselves or their kids. As them about the health of their kids. There is a HUGE difference between the two. AND the fact that there has never been a case of Autism in an unvaccinated child. (there was acase in the amish community but it was later forund the child was adopted from a forign country and vaxed..yet still the media spun that around the best they could).

Since every vaccinated child is administered the same (or nearly the same) series of vaccinations, this could all be caused by one bad vaccine.

Still doesn't discredit vaccination.

[kola]

one bad vaccine?? are you serious? enuf said. LOL

everyone reacts differently to a vaccine, just as they do to other drugs, food and chemicals.

to say a vax is safe because not everyone has a reaction is pure bullcrap.

jrax, i thought you were smarter than this.

Kola

[kola]

as afar as autism goes Geier and Geier did a study and proved that mercury in vaccines was a causative factor in creating autism as well as heart disease in children. I advise you read who Dr Mark Geier is. he is an exoert on vaccines and was one of the few people who had access to the CDC files, only because he worked there earlier. Most info is off limits and there is a huge effort to sweep the cause of autism under the rug. That is why the gov passed laws to protect the pharm companies. Bases covered.

there is plenty of proof. its just not being accepted. like all gov cover ups.

no different.

Kola

[J’raxis 270145]

everyone reacts differently to a vaccine, just as they do to other drugs, food and chemicals.

to save a vax is safe because not everyone has a reaction is pure bullcrap.

Indeed. So does this mean you have a blanket condemnation for all other drugs, food, and chemicals? After all, you said it yourself—none of them are safe for all.

[kola]

Indeed. So does this mean you have a blanket condemnation for all other drugs, food, and chemicals? After all, you said it yourself—none of them are safe for all.

I belive in my own common sense and rely on the natural alws.

Almost all foods are laced with shit. I do not buy them.

Chemicals surround us constantly. I can't avoid all of them but I can reduce my exposures and there are some chemical I do not even get near...and I do not live in a bubble. It is pretty easy if you choose to avoid things that can harm you or your loved ones. I have more beiefs in naturtal foods and herbal plants then I do in anything processed anyway.

IMO God gave us everything we need and even our bodies are capable of producing their own drugs to cure itself. But man has not created superbugs and supervirus and is playing with dna cloning and altering things which would have never occured naturally. This taxes the modern body.

btw all those fancy pills and medications are mostly derived from plants. imagine.

Kola

[kola]

With all the information now avaiable online it is sad and discouraging for me to see that the majority of the people still believe vaccines are the golden goose of medicine.

my above opinion and seeing peoples sheer ignorance of the coming police state and the raping of our Constitution really bothers me. Within the last year, I am quite troubled by the majority of the people on this planet.

Kola

[J’raxis 270145]

Chemicals surround us constantly. I can't avoid all of them but I can reduce my exposures and there are some chemical I do not even get near...and I do not live in a bubble. It is pretty easy if you choose to avoid things that can harm you or your loved ones. I have more beiefs in naturtal foods and herbal plants then I do in anything processed anyway.

Water is a chemical. So is oxygen. Do you mean you have an aversion to "artificial" chemicals? (I seem to remember this argument coming up before between you and I think MaineShark.) As was stated before, there's no meaningful difference between "natural" and "artificial" chemicals. Artificial is simply a label for things made by man as opposed to those not.

IMO God gave us everything we need and even our bodies are capable of producing their own drugs to cure itself. But man has not created superbugs and supervirus and is playing with dna cloning and altering things which would have never occured naturally. This taxes the modern body.

This god you speak of also gave us cyanide, arsenic, and mercury. These are just as dangerous as some 300-syllable "artificial" chemical conjured up in a lab.

And he gave us the elements that we recombine in novel ways to produce most "artificial" drugs. That's all it is, building at a molecular level. Do you believe that building houses and automobiles is equally as bad?

btw all those fancy pills and medications are mostly derived from plants. imagine.

Indeed! They're a lot less "artificial" than a lot of people make them out to be.

[kola]

Water is a chemical. So is oxygen.

OH fuckin pleeease. not this fuckin road again? LOL

ya know what? Your right. You win. 

Good day 

Kola

[J’raxis 270145]

Lol indeed. I don't remember you providing a meaningful difference between artificial and natural chemicals last time, either.

My only point in this entire debate is to get you to see that. The examples of harm you cite are valid—they're just not justification for rejecting such large swaths of technology such as vaccines, genetic modification, or anything "artificial."