MD speaks out against vaccines

[kola]

Haven't we been through this?

I have presented the studies and research.

Simply put, Big Pharma/AMA and all its pawns refuse to accept the literature. They will never allow the truth to be exposed as vaccines are the sacred cow of "medicine". It would be like Holy roller Christians admitting there was no God.

Kola

[John Edward Mercier]

Yes, we have.

You refuse to accept that prior to vaccines the life expectancy of humans was lower due to the number of childhood deaths. And believe that no one should have a choice to have one administered to themselves or their children. Only opinions that support your position are valid, and that the AMOG should ban them.

[kola]

Yes, we have.

You refuse to accept that prior to vaccines the life expectancy of humans was lower due to the number of childhood deaths. And believe that no one should have a choice to have one administered to themselves or their children. Only opinions that support your position are valid, and that the AMOG should ban them.

Show me where I said people should not have choice and show me where I said the gov should ban them.

I said over and over that people cannot make a rational decision regarding vaccines because they only hear one side of the story and that it has been pounded in our heads since birth.

I do not solely base my opinions on other "opinions". I base them on facts which are looked at from both pro and con.

You said I said the GOVERNMENT should ban vaccines?? are you serious...even implying that notion is ridiculous as it wouldn't happen in a million years. LOL! I never said that nor would I ever think it.

It is YOU who choose to ignore what I have presented because it does not support YOUR stance.

I do not ignore anything and I have studied the pros and cons for over 12+ years. I also dug intro the overwhelming evidence that proves there is a HUGE conflict of interest among Big Pharma and the AMA and all the other mobster affiliates. 

I find it amazing that we have all these new vaccines and everyone is sicker these days. We see more childhood cancers, more respiratory probs like asthma and all the allergy people and not to mention all the mentally retarded children which has reached epidemic numbers. Even the CDC admits the flu shot doesnt work and is nothing more than an educated guess. They fail to mention that viruses mutate so quickly that a vacciine can never be effective, let alone safe. Vaccines have been a failure since they first began and continue to be failures. The only thing they do is create new sickness and disease and they maime and kill kids. But keep watching the evening news and buy into the spin doctoring circus of vaccines saving the world.

Kola

[ReverendRyan]

I find it amazing that we have all these new vaccines and everyone is sicker these days. We see more childhood cancers, more respiratory probs like asthma and all the allergy people and not to mention all the mentally retarded children which has reached epidemic numbers.

You're half right.

Nowadays we do see more childhood diseases, etc. The key word is see. Diagnosis rates are up, but that is due to improvement in diagnostic techniques. Yes, we see more disease, but that's because medical science is constantly finding better ways to look.

As far as mental retardation, autism, etc. rising, that's due to expanding the parameters of what symptoms would comprise a diagnosis. The same way obesity became a much larger epidemic after obesity was redefined. It's just fiddling with numbers with no correlation, much less causation.

[kola]

Thanks for your expertise'.

I now see the light.

Thank you so very much.


YEAHHHHHHHH RIGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!
Kola 

[kola]

How is this for having a "choice"?  Even the military officials are doubting vaccine effectiveness and safety.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Judge_OKs_mandatory_anthrax_vaccine_02292008.html

[MTPorcupine3]

See my Sovereign Solutions interview with the folks of www.vaclib.org by going to www.sovereign-solutions.info, clicking on Free Episodes, then scrolling till you find the topic.

[kola]

See my Sovereign Solutions interview with the folks of www.vaclib.org by going to www.sovereign-solutions.info, clicking on Free Episodes, then scrolling till you find the topic.

Thanks for posting that MTPorcupine. I watched it back while ago and its very  good. I hope others will watch and learn the truth.

Good stuff!

KOla

[J’raxis 270145]

kola:—

You're applying the same illogic to vaccines as you do to genetically modified foods. These things are simply examples of very broad categories of technology: They cannot be considered "successes" or "failures," nor "good" or "evil," as a whole.

As I said before, that there are specific examples of corporations using GM technology in irresponsible, self-serving, or dangerous ways in no way says that GM as a whole is evil. The same applies here: The danger isn't vaccination, it's mercury-containing vaccines. Take the mercury out, and then see if the vaccine is still harmful. I'd be willing to bet the answer would then be "no."

By your logic, the Internet would be evil and a failure because some people use it to commit identity theft or prey on children.

[Caleb]

I've told this story before, but it is relevant. I had a friend, growing up, whose brother died from a vaccine. Anyone who tells you they are harmless is a charlatan.

Now, there is the flip side: deaths from diseases have also gone down. So the question becomes this: Do I feel that the reward is worth the risk. I don't see how government can mandate that choice to a parent. So Kola is right on this one.

[J’raxis 270145]

I've told this story before, but it is relevant. I had a friend, growing up, whose brother died from a vaccine. Anyone who tells you they are harmless is a charlatan.

That still doesn't condemn vaccination in general. It's another anecdote about a specific vaccine (such as these mercury-containing ones) that is dangerous.

My point to kola is that he seems to have an almost superstitious opposition to technology—his reasoning is always based on a few bad examples, usually of dangerous or irresponsible misapplication of technology—which he blows up into a generalized fear of the entire technology in question.

[ReverendRyan]

The danger isn't vaccination, it's mercury-containing vaccines. Take the mercury out, and then see if the vaccine is still harmful. I'd be willing to bet the answer would then be "no."

Point of Information -

Children are exposed to less mercury today then their parents ever were.

There has yet to be any conclusive proof of mercury causing autism, most mental disabilities, restless vagina syndrome, etc. Nearly all the literature you will find is authored by anti-vaccination activists, working backwards from their conclusion that vaccinations are inherently bad and using conjecture and outright fraud to prop up their claims. It's no different than "creation science".

And finally, there are no mercury containing preservatives used in administered vaccines. Mercury is used in preservatives for samples used for R&D only. It's cheaper. But when it comes to the vaccinations that get to market, they use more expensive, but mercury-free, preservatives.

Of course vaccination is a risk. It's essentially administering a dead or weakened for of the pathogen in question. But I for one, and most of the population at large, would prefer to minuscule risks associated with vaccination rather than the much larger likelyhood of contracting deadly diseases.

[Caleb]

Of course vaccination is a risk. It's essentially administering a dead or weakened for of the pathogen in question. But I for one, and most of the population at large, would prefer to minuscule risks associated with vaccination rather than the much larger likelyhood of contracting deadly diseases.

The question isn't what you, for one, and most of the population at large would prefer. It's whether you want to force your choice on other people. And sadly, that is becoming a trend with vaccines, no less so than in every other area of life.

[J’raxis 270145]

Of course vaccination is a risk. It's essentially administering a dead or weakened for of the pathogen in question. But I for one, and most of the population at large, would prefer to minuscule risks associated with vaccination rather than the much larger likelyhood of contracting deadly diseases.

The question isn't what you, for one, and most of the population at large would prefer. It's whether you want to force your choice on other people. And sadly, that is becoming a trend with vaccines, no less so than in every other area of life.

Oh, I'm definitely on the against side in the debate over forcing people to take vaccines, or any other medical procedures "for their own good" ...or anything else "for your own good," for that matter. But I don't conclude that vaccines must be bad for you from that debate, merely that the rent-seeking corporations who manufacture the stuff are trying to find yet another way to make money through aggression.

[kola]

The danger isn't vaccination, it's mercury-containing vaccines. Take the mercury out, and then see if the vaccine is still harmful. I'd be willing to bet the answer would then be "no."

Its just not mercury. Study the entire topic and then we can talk. Stop basing your opinion on heresay and dig out the facts. Your proposal of taking out the mercury and all will be fine clearly shows you are uneducated in the topic of vaccines.

This is why I often get so frustrated.

Kola