NY Assemblyman proposes fascist health care

[slim]

http://www.bizjournals.com/albany/stories/2007/12/03/daily23.html

[David]

You know, as bad as it sounds, I want the states to take the lead on things like this.  No one believes us when we point out the failings in other nations.  But if one fails in our own backyard, it gives us greater amunition to use to combat a national healthcare setup. 
He, he, this idiot who clearly doesn't understand human behavior thinks that with no deductible, and nominal co-pay, that somehow their will be a savings.  fuzzy math.   

[KJM]

Gottrfied estimated the cost of the plan, if all New Yorkers signed up, at about $59 billion a year. This compares to the $63 billion a year employers and individuals now pay in premiums, deductibles and co-pays.

Since when does anything end up cheaper when run by a mostly unnaccountable compulsory collective rather than by way of competition and ? Do people actually buy into this crap? Unfortunately, this is obviously a rhetorical question given the growth of socialism in the states.

If government really wants to save people money on their health costs it will focus on education of preventative measures like proper diet and exercise and avoidance or reduction of high risk activities. But this would only work if everyone actually utilized such knowledge.

Since not everyone can be forced (yet) to follow such a regimen (nor should they be) then the only real solution is to let people make their own choices and live with the consequences, including paying for their own health insurance or out of their own pocket.

[slim]

You know, as bad as it sounds, I want the states to take the lead on things like this.  No one believes us when we point out the failings in other nations.  But if one fails in our own backyard, it gives us greater amunition to use to combat a national healthcare setup. 

That statement to me does sound terrible even heartless.
I do not need to see a murder to know it is wrong, and I do not need to see a murder the next state over to argue against it. If possible I would never want anyone to go through that just as I would hope that no one ever has their rights violated.

[scrappy]

He, he, this idiot who clearly doesn't understand human behavior thinks that with no deductible, and nominal co-pay, that somehow their will be a savings.  fuzzy math.   

He also probably listens to Hillary and thinks that raising taxes on big corporations will make room for a tax cut for the middle class.  Duh...... 

[David]

It is heartless.  I wish there was a way to opt out of this crap for those that don't want the "free" gov't care.  For everyone else I don't really care.  They scream and yell for gov't to force others to pay for their pet program etc..  They want us to 'suffer' for a cause they think is good, well two can play that game-I want them to 'suffer' for their cause. 
A friend of mine once told me how cruel I was that I want the federal gov't to go bankrupt and to collapse, because of the desparate situation millions who rely on the gov't will suddenly be in.  I agree that it is cruel, but it is not something I have any control over, I just expect, and want it to happen. 

[J’raxis 270145]

A friend of mine once told me how cruel I was that I want the federal gov't to go bankrupt and to collapse, because of the desparate situation millions who rely on the gov't will suddenly be in.

Does he understand that it's intentionally set up that way? That the government makes people dependent on it so that people can make arguments such as his?

[RD]

Gottrfied estimated the cost of the plan, if all New Yorkers signed up, at about $59 billion a year. This compares to the $63 billion a year employers and individuals now pay in premiums, deductibles and co-pays.

Since when does anything end up cheaper when run by a mostly unnaccountable compulsory collective rather than by way of competition

I suppose one could point to the price of booze in NH compared to neighboring states...