Cell towers= Deathtowers?

[MaineShark]

ok,,looks at ho I have to play "SPOON FEEDING TIME"   

What are natural laws and what is "violating natural laws. Try to take 5 minutes to read it BEFORE commenting.

http://www.natural-law.org/ideal_administration/ch01.html

a few quotes:

"The misapplication of natural law, with all its negative repercussions, is what we will term a "violation of natural law." We will see in subsequent chapters that all problems of the individual and society can be traced to the violation of natural law by the whole population."

"...Therefore, when we refer to "violations of natural law," we are simply referring to actions that not only fail to take maximum advantage of the laws of nature, but where the functioning of natural law results in negative consequences for the individual. For example, smoking cigarettes introduces known carcinogenic compounds which cause DNA mutation, and cancers to form in the bronchii and lungs. Smoking is thus an example of an action that "violates natural law," an action that stimulates certain laws of nature to produce undesirable consequences.."

This really doesnt touch on NA Indian beliefs but hopefully a person can get the gist of it.

burp! 
Kola

You accuse others of making up their own definitions and, as apparently proof, you quote some nutcases who have made up definitions of their own, which have no bearing on the actual definitions of the words?  Very mature.

Joe

[kola]

whoa-k...lemme see..I googled "definition natural law".



1.) Natural law.
A law or body of laws that derives from nature and is believed to be binding upon human actions apart from or in conjunction with laws established by human authority

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2.)Natural law

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For other uses, see Natural law (disambiguation).
Natural law or the law of nature (Latin: lex naturalis) is an ethical theory that posits the existence of a law whose content is set by nature and that therefore has validity everywhere

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3.) natural law

nat·u·ral law (plural nat·u·ral laws)
noun 

Definition:
 
1. law of morality: a law of morality believed to be derived from human beings' inherent sense of right and wrong, rather than from revelation or the legislation produced by society


2. law of nature: a law that governs the behavior of natural phenomena

3. belief in universal justice system: the belief that general laws of nature can be applied as a system of justice for all societies, regardless of their individual culture or customs

[MaineShark]

And...?

First, if you're going to refer to the moral/ethical theory in a discussion of physical phenomena, you might want to say so.

Second, the only established "law of nature" on a moral plane is the zero-aggression principle.  I don't recall seeing anything about microwaves being evil, in there...

Joe

[kola]

How old are you Joe?

Kola

[MaineShark]

How old are you Joe?

Kola

Old enough to know better.  Young enough not to give a damn.

Joe

[John Edward Mercier]

And...?

First, if you're going to refer to the moral/ethical theory in a discussion of physical phenomena, you might want to say so.

Second, the only established "law of nature" on a moral plane is the zero-aggression principle.  I don't recall seeing anything about microwaves being evil, in there...

Joe

I still don't understand how one can establish ZAP from nature. It doesn't exist in nature...

[MaineShark]

And...?

First, if you're going to refer to the moral/ethical theory in a discussion of physical phenomena, you might want to say so.

Second, the only established "law of nature" on a moral plane is the zero-aggression principle.  I don't recall seeing anything about microwaves being evil, in there...

I still don't understand how one can establish ZAP from nature. It doesn't exist in nature...

The very basic explanation:

The only assumption we can make is that the survival of humanity is good.  This is an assumption, but it is a sensible one, since anything else just leads to suicide.  Those of us who want to survive as a species must take it as tautological that the survival of our species is a good thing.

Only the rational self-interest displayed by the zero-aggression principle can provide an optimum solution for social organization that supports the goal of human survival.  Anything short of that will eventually lead to collapse and destruction.  The ZAP allows us to interact without exploiting each other.  Competition (which is necessary for evolution) is limited such that it follows certain economic rules (fyi, "economics" includes non-monetary interactions, as well).  This enhances natural competition (and, therefore, evolution) by ensuring that each individual has a "fair" chance to sink or swim on his own.  No genes are removed from the pool due to needless killing of innocents.

Supposedly, if sentient creatures of different species meet, the long-term survival of sentience would be the new "goal" and would still be supported by the ZAP.

And, again, this is a very basic explanation, and glosses over many details - I'm well aware that there are plenty of holes to poke in it, since it is not a complete explanation.  It should give you the general basics of how the ZAP is derived.

Joe

[John Edward Mercier]

I understood how it was derived... just it doesn't exist.
The history of man is more of aggression than anything, yet our existance... even dominance as a species is largely uncontested.

So though ZAP makes sense in principle, so did communism... but it failed ever so often.

Its strange. I thought the Japanese taught us about economics and the 'art of war'... but now the Chinese have to re-educate us.