9-11 was NOT an inside job

[KBCraig]

I never heard what happened to the 19 terrorist guys. Do any of you who have been following the government's version know where they are now?

I'm no government apologist, but I'm pretty sure the "official" version is that they suffered the same fate as everyone else on those four flights.

[MaineShark]

Wake up and smell the thermate, man! Some of the people seeking the truth about 9/11 are physicists. Who's out in left field now?

Uh, you?

As Kevin points out, physicists are not engineers.

And, as Kevin and I have both pointed out previously, there was no thermate.  Anyone competent can tell you that the "chemical signature of thermate" is very common chemicals which were in abundance in the towers.  Heck, anyone with access to Wikipedia could look up the composition of thermate (a very simple concoction) and know that the composition is very common chemicals.  Guess those "physicists" are not able to use Wikipedia, eh?

Joe

[coffeeseven]

I totally misinterpreted what you said to be more harsh than what was actually written (though the "I want what you're smoking" was an insult).  I apologize.

Well I do.

And for the record, I've never called anyone an "irrational nut" on this thread.  So watch where you lump me in

Correct - you didn't call me an irrational nut. Just a liar. Stop throwing insults and you won't have to worry about me lumping you. Thanks for the apology anyway.

Russell as I recall six of the "terrorists" came forward to say they weren't on the plane and that they were obviously very much alive. One of the "terrorists" passports was found outside on the lawn of the Pentagon unburned and not a tear or crease. I want a suit of clothes made out of that.

[JustUs]

Wake up and smell the thermate, man! Some of the people seeking the truth about 9/11 are physicists. Who's out in left field now?

Uh, you?

As Kevin points out, physicists are not engineers.

And, as Kevin and I have both pointed out previously, there was no thermate.  Anyone competent can tell you that the "chemical signature of thermate" is very common chemicals which were in abundance in the towers.  Heck, anyone with access to Wikipedia could look up the composition of thermate (a very simple concoction) and know that the composition is very common chemicals.  Guess those "physicists" are not able to use Wikipedia, eh?

Joe

Now you're just being a ball-buster. First you say physics, now you say engineering. Just do the reading - btw, why was it you say it was NOT an inside job, and those pesky live pilots who had their passports stolen, what does that do to your story?

[MaineShark]

Now you're just being a ball-buster. First you say physics, now you say engineering.

Phisics, not physicists.

An engineer is someone who applies physics to the real world.  Like, perhaps, designing buildings and studying what makes them collapse.

Just do the reading - btw, why was it you say it was NOT an inside job, and those pesky live pilots who had their passports stolen, what does that do to your story?

I didn't say it was not an inside job.  I said specifically that I think the odds are 50/50 on that one.

What I did say is that the failure of the buildings was the result of the obvious causes, not hidden explosives.  Who flew those planes into the buildings and why they flew them into the buildings is not something I have enough evidence on to reach a firm conclusion.

As I've stated numerous times, the reason the government has been encouraging/creating/disseminating/whatever the story of "explosives" is so that the members of the public most likely to criticize the government won't be vocal about allowing passengers to be armed on planes.  Armed airline passengers could prevent a hijacking.  They could not prevent a building from being demolished by explosives.  So, if the government gets all of you parroting the "explosives" nonsense, you aren't asking why passengers aren't allowed to carry weapons, which they could use to stop hijackers.  Whether you know it or not, every time you claim that planes couldn't bring those buildings down, what you're doing is saying that armed passengers couldn't have prevented the attacks, and you are helping the government to maintain and even increase their "security" nonsense at airports.

Joe

[Sheep Fuzzy Wool]

Re: 9-11 was NOT an inside job

But, Matrix data-mining for our benefit and safety is!! http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12478.15
How convenient for us all to be monitored and not have any rights to view what people are monitoring about us! 
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! This is fun!

Data mining systems that were only intended for the "terrorists," and criminial fugitives have a bigger purpose now, if anyone has noticed?

Gee, was it Jeb Bush that signed for that private data mining company developed by a man with a history of flying cocaine?

[coffeeseven]

Re: 9-11 was NOT an inside job

But, Matrix data-mining for our benefit and safety is!! http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=12478.15
How convenient for us all to be monitored and not have any rights to view what people are monitoring about us! 
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! This is fun!

Data mining systems that were only intended for the "terrorists," and criminial fugitives have a bigger purpose now, if anyone has noticed?

Gee, was it Jeb Bush that signed for that private data mining company developed by a man with a history of flying cocaine?

I was just reading that today. Thanks for posting it. Yesterday I was reading the grist notes from Projects Rainbow, Phoenix, and Montauk. Ya 9/11 can't possibly be an inside job.


And George Bush is a Christian. 

[Russell Kanning]

Russell as I recall six of the "terrorists" came forward to say they weren't on the plane and that they were obviously very much alive. One of the "terrorists" passports was found outside on the lawn of the Pentagon unburned and not a tear or crease. I want a suit of clothes made out of that.

Did they find his body?

[maxxoccupancy]

Don't waste too much time with the structural engineering and materials analysis.  Those are important issues.  I want you to take a close look at the sloppy investigation by FEMA, ASCE, and NIST.  Every time there is any private investigation with evidence showing governmental wrong doing, evidence is lost, covered up, witnesses are threatened or disappear.  The government's investigations involved conflicts of interest in spades, and all were directed at proving the official story.

I have yet to meet anyone who looked into this case who actually believes that Building 7 was not demolished.  Buildings 1 and 2 are tougher issues, because the fires were pretty ferocious at first.

The problem is that the Official Explanation advocates are destroying evidence ASAP (like the wreckage from WTC) and planting obvious evidence--like the "wreckage" photo from Popular Mechanics which obviously includes lots of fake wreckage.  This is where the stupidity/sheep accusation comes in.  Ten seconds of observation are enough to obviate the fraud of these photos and simulations.

One barely has to think about it: how does a steel I-beam get torn out and thrown from a building, ripped from the end joints, then come out looking brand new without a dent in it--or even any welding or holes from the end joints?  The message? "Only stupid sheeple need buy into this.  If you are using your brain, you will see yet another sloppy cover up.  If you expound the official story like a true believer, that tells intelligent people that you are not."

[coffeeseven]

Russell as I recall six of the "terrorists" came forward to say they weren't on the plane and that they were obviously very much alive. One of the "terrorists" passports was found outside on the lawn of the Pentagon unburned and not a tear or crease. I want a suit of clothes made out of that.

Did they find his body?

No and I can't find anything that says he has come forward. He is not one of the six.

I invite anyone who is interested in this story or anything to do with 9/11/2001 to NOT take my word for what I write here. Do your own research. There are literally thousands of corroborating stories to back the facts.

My memory was muddled. It was the ID of a California woman who was allegedly on the flight at the Pentagon. At "Ground Zero" it was the passport of Satam al-Suqami.

http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Articles/200511/20051111_911_Pent_Passport.htm

Capt. Jim Ingledue, shift safety officer of the Virginia Beach Fire Dept, said Monday he found amidst the rubble at the Pentagon, two days after 9/11, the perfectly clean and unblemished California ID card of Suzanne Calley, 42, one of the alleged victims killed aboard Flight 77.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami

Al-Suqami's passport was found by a passerby, reportedly in the vicinity of Vesey Street[4], before the towers collapsed. [5] (This was mistakenly reported by many news outlets to be Mohammed Atta's passport.) Some news organizations have openly doubted this report [6], questioning the idea that his passport had escaped from the inferno relatively unsinged. According to testimony before the 9/11 Commission by lead counsel Susan Ginsburg, his passport had been "manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda." [5] Passports belonging to Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi were found at the crash site of United Airlines flight #93.

United Airlines flight #93 is the one that crashed in the field in Pennsylvania. Two of the four hijackers' passports were found.



If I ever fly which I doubt I'm going to Gorrilla Glue my passport to my butt. Wait a minute - They didn't find any middle aged white men's passports. Only Ay-rab hijackers.

[ReverendRyan]

1) Nobody ever said these passports were in perfect shape so quit with the straw man arguments. Saying "not a tear or crease" when your own source used the term "relatively unsinged" is patently dishonest.

2) Before any collision, the hijackers would most likely have performed ablutions, which often includes emptying pockets.

3) An explosion, by its very definition, sends large amounts of debris as far away and as quickly as possible. The jets in question sport fuel tanks just below and behind the cockpit, meaning once the things explode, the contents of the cockpit will generally be blown upwards and forwards, in the direction of the windscreen.

4) In an explosion, the initial pressure wave more often than not knocks a substantial amount of debris outside the range of the subsequent fireball. A good example would be a cheap firework. Light it, it explodes and the casing is somewhat tattered, yet still legible.

[coffeeseven]

1) Nobody ever said these passports were in perfect shape so quit with the straw man arguments. Saying "not a tear or crease" when your own source used the term "relatively unsinged" is patently dishonest.

Now I am a dishonest, lying, irrational nut. Cool! Relatively unsinged it is.  I apologize if my errant use of adjectives in any way.....

2) Before any collision, the hijackers would most likely have performed ablutions, which often includes emptying pockets.

And call for hookers.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/columns/013105p.htm

Remember 9/11 and those 19 hijackers?  Remember Mohammed Atta, who was such a religious Muslim and so worried about modesty that, in his will, he forbade women from attending his funeral?  Gee, it's the same Mohammed Atta who got a lap dance or two from gyrating exotic dancers at Florida's "Pink Pony" strip club–paying $300 for the pleasure.  Other hijackers visited the Olympic Bar strip club in Vegas and hired prostitutes in Boston just prior to the attacks.

3) An explosion, by its very definition, sends large amounts of debris as far away and as quickly as possible. The jets in question sport fuel tanks just below and behind the cockpit, meaning once the things explode, the contents of the cockpit will generally be blown upwards and forwards, in the direction of the windscreen.

Why was no one else's passport found? Pretty selective exploding.

4) In an explosion, the initial pressure wave more often than not knocks a substantial amount of debris outside the range of the subsequent fireball. A good example would be a cheap firework. Light it, it explodes and the casing is somewhat tattered, yet still legible.

Did you even look at the picture? Where is the legible anything. Dude, I'm just quoting facts. Throw poo if you want but it doesn't make you right. The FBI fingered 19 brown men right away. I mean right away like they had been trailing them for years. 6 proved to be alive and have for the record stated their aliveness to mainstream media. Only 3 relatively unsinged passports have been found in the wreckage and they just happened to belong to three of the remaining 13 hijackers. You don't find any of that remotely odd.

[Russell Kanning]

how many black boxes did they find ... and was there anything good recorded on them?

[ReverendRyan]

1) Nobody ever said these passports were in perfect shape so quit with the straw man arguments. Saying "not a tear or crease" when your own source used the term "relatively unsinged" is patently dishonest.

Now I am a dishonest, lying, irrational nut. Cool! Relatively unsinged it is.  I apologize if my errant use of adjectives in any way.....

Straw man.

2) Before any collision, the hijackers would most likely have performed ablutions, which often includes emptying pockets.

And call for hookers.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/columns/013105p.htm

Remember 9/11 and those 19 hijackers?  Remember Mohammed Atta, who was such a religious Muslim and so worried about modesty that, in his will, he forbade women from attending his funeral?  Gee, it's the same Mohammed Atta who got a lap dance or two from gyrating exotic dancers at Florida's "Pink Pony" strip club–paying $300 for the pleasure.  Other hijackers visited the Olympic Bar strip club in Vegas and hired prostitutes in Boston just prior to the attacks.

Guilt by association as an ad hominem fallacy.

3) An explosion, by its very definition, sends large amounts of debris as far away and as quickly as possible. The jets in question sport fuel tanks just below and behind the cockpit, meaning once the things explode, the contents of the cockpit will generally be blown upwards and forwards, in the direction of the windscreen.

Why was no one else's passport found? Pretty selective exploding.

Fallacy of composition.

4) In an explosion, the initial pressure wave more often than not knocks a substantial amount of debris outside the range of the subsequent fireball. A good example would be a cheap firework. Light it, it explodes and the casing is somewhat tattered, yet still legible.

Did you even look at the picture? Where is the legible anything. Dude, I'm just quoting facts. Throw poo if you want but it doesn't make you right. The FBI fingered 19 brown men right away. I mean right away like they had been trailing them for years. 6 proved to be alive and have for the record stated their aliveness to mainstream media. Only 3 relatively unsinged passports have been found in the wreckage and they just happened to belong to three of the remaining 13 hijackers. You don't find any of that remotely odd.

Flight manifest + Pilot liscence applications + find duplicates = BINGO!

6 people with similar names turned up. All of them pretty common names. And I've already explained to you why cockpit contents are more likely to escape harm than those in other areas. I didn't think I'd even need to explain that foreign nationals are much more likely to be carrying passports in the first place. They were domestic flights, remember? Do you bring your passport when you're heading to Cleveland?

[coffeeseven]

how many black boxes did they find ... and was there anything good recorded on them?

All jetliners are equipped with flight data recorders (FDRs) and cockpit voice recorders (CVRs) contained in "black boxes" designed to survive the most severe crashes. To date, none of the contents of any of the black boxes have been released to the public, With the exception of a partial transcript of Flight 93's CVR, the contents of any of the black boxes remained unknown to the public until August of 2006, when the National Security Archive published long-hidden NTSB Reports including flight path and other studies of the commandeered flights. The studies include FDR data from Flight 77 and Flight 93. Authorities had previously claimed that all but the voice recorder on Flight 93 were either not recovered or too damaged to yield data. The black boxes of Flight 77 were allegedly found on September 14th. 1   2   3 
Ground Zero book
This book, written by Gail Swanson, and published in 2003, includes accounts of firefighters Mike Bellone, Robert Barrat, and Nicholas DeMasi.

According to the federal authorities controlling Ground Zero, the black boxes from the two crashed 767s, Flight 11 and Flight 175, failed to turn up in the rubble taken from the site. 4   The 9/11 Commission Report backs the FBI's story, flatly stating: "The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175 were not found."

There are accounts contradicting the official account of the black boxes. Two men who worked in the cleanup operation at Ground Zero claim that they helped authorities find three of the four black boxes in October of 2001. One of the workers, New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi, has self-published a book with other Ground Zero workers in which he describes the recovery of the devices. 5   The book, Behind the Scenes: GROUND ZERO, A Collection of Personal Accounts, can be ordered through SummerOfTruth.org.

In December 2005, CounterPunch reported that an NTSB source contradicted the official account:
"Off the record, we had the boxes," the source says. "You'd have to get the official word from the FBI as to where they are, but we worked on them here."

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/blackboxes.html