How many names are on George Bush's Disloyalty List?

[Jim Johnson]

FOX News Report: Former FBI Director Hoover Planned to Arrest 12,000 Americans Suspected of Disloyalty

Saturday , December 22, 2007
   
WASHINGTON —

Former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover had a plan to suspend the rules against illegal detention and arrest up to 12,000 Americans he suspected of being disloyal, according to a newly declassified document.

Hoover sent the White House his plan on July 7, 1950, less than two weeks after the Korean War began. Still, there is no evidence to suggest that President Truman or any subsequent president approved any part of Hoover's proposal to house suspect Americans in military and federal prisons.

Hoover wanted Truman to declare the mass arrests as necessary to "protect the country against treason, espionage and sabotage," The New York Times reported Saturday in a story posted on its Web site.

The plan called for the FBI to apprehend all potentially dangerous individuals whose names were on a list Hoover had been compiling for years.

"The index now contains approximately 12,000 individuals, of which approximately 97 percent are citizens of the United States," Hoover wrote in the now-declassified document. "In order to make effective these apprehensions, the proclamation suspends the writ of habeas corpus."

Habeas corpus is the right to seek relief from illegal detention, and a bedrock legal principle in America.

Under Hoover's plan, all apprehended individuals would eventually have had the right to a hearing, though the proposed hearing boards — comprised of one judge and two citizens — would not have been bound by the rules of evidence.

The details of Hoover's plan were among a collection of Cold War-era documents related to intelligence from 1950-1955. The State Department declassified the documents on Friday.

[Pat K]

I don't know how many are on Georgie Porgie's list.

But how embarrassing is it if your own name is not?

[Raineyrocks]

I don't know how many are on Georgie Porgie's list.

But how embarrassing is it if your own name is not?

Good point!

[coffeeseven]

I don't know how many are on Georgie Porgie's list.

But how embarrassing is it if your own name is not?

I applaud thee.

[Bill St. Clair]

Do you think my pet name for him, "Bushnev", has gotten me on the list?

Get thee behind me, Bushnev!

[KBCraig]

They intend for there to be no way to escape their attention:

FBI Prepares Vast Database Of Biometrics


$1 Billion Project to Include Images of Irises and Faces

By Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 22, 2007; A01



CLARKSBURG, W. Va. -- The FBI is embarking on a $1 billion effort to build the world's largest computer database of peoples' physical characteristics, a project that would give the government unprecedented abilities to identify individuals in the United States and abroad.

Digital images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns are already flowing into FBI systems in a climate-controlled, secure basement here. Next month, the FBI intends to award a 10-year contract that would significantly expand the amount and kinds of biometric information it receives. And in the coming years, law enforcement authorities around the world will be able to rely on iris patterns, face-shape data, scars and perhaps even the unique ways people walk and talk, to solve crimes and identify criminals and terrorists. The FBI will also retain, upon request by employers, the fingerprints of employees who have undergone criminal background checks so the employers can be notified if employees have brushes with the law.

"Bigger. Faster. Better. That's the bottom line," said Thomas E. Bush III, assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division, which operates the database from its headquarters in the Appalachian foothills.

...

But the FBI is planning a "rap-back" service, under which employers could ask the FBI to keep employees' fingerprints in the database, subject to state privacy laws, so that if that employees are ever arrested or charged with a crime, the employers would be notified.

...

At the West Virginia University Center for Identification Technology Research (CITeR), 45 minutes north of the FBI's biometric facility in Clarksburg, researchers are working on capturing images of people's irises at distances of up to 15 feet, and of faces from as far away as 200 yards. Soon, those researchers will do biometric research for the FBI.

Covert iris- and face-image capture is several years away, but it is of great interest to government agencies.

...

In the future, said CITeR director Lawrence A. Hornak, devices will be able to "recognize us and adapt to us."

"The long-term goal," Hornak said, is "ubiquitous use" of biometrics. A traveler may walk down an airport corridor and allow his face and iris images to be captured without ever stepping up to a kiosk and looking into a camera, he said.

"That's the key," he said. "You've chosen it. You have chosen to say, 'Yeah, I want this place to recognize me.' "

[error]

Hoover did something like that, and anyone is surprised? This is what governments DO. If you placed a bet that there still IS a disloyalty list, odds are you would win that bet.

[Russell Kanning]

200,000

[kola]

once everyone is on the list..then what are they gonna do???



Kola

[coffeeseven]

Clinton/Bush I/Bush II have succeeded where Hoover failed. Fabulous.


Hey I wonder how many of the original 12,000 are still on the terror watch list?  Beware of 80 90 100 year olds carrying out nursing home bombings.