Libertarian Matchmaker

[supperman15]

I know that some Christian people do "evangelistic dating", in hopes to somehow convert the non-christians they're dating. Libertarians should do the same thing. It's the duty of all young single Libertarian men to go find the most socialist tree-hugging vegan woman you can, and make her a gun-toating, liberty-loving, free-marketer.

you can help a socialist but you cant help a vegan....

[supperman15]

speed dating is a GREAT idea

[porcupine kate]

I heard about a dating web site based here is NH.  This may be an option for some people.

http://www.sweetongeeks.com/

Good luck.

[Beth221]

omg kate, that kicks ass, too bad i am not looking! 

[planetaryjim]

Dear Friends,

Actually, I would dispute the idea that you can help a socialist by dating, but you cannot help a vegan in that way.  This statement by supperman15 suggests that vegan tendencies are not intellectually obtained through a consideration of information about food choices, food harvesting practices, nutrition, and such.   It also seems to suggest that socialist tendencies are.  Perhaps vegan-ism is a religious commitment.  But, that's okay, so, clearly, is socialism.  Indeed, there is absolutely no evidence that murdering hundreds of millions of people and stealing from billions of people did a thing to make the world more livable or better for anyone in the 20th Century.  So, if you seek to persuade, perhaps showing some of the information about the proteins and other nutrients available in eating meat would actually work on a vegan.  I have no idea how to persuade a socialist to stop massacring and stealing - except with lead poisoning delivered at 2800 fps.   

Beth, I love your choice in candidates.  If that's what you chose for a brassiere, one does wonder what your panties were like that day.

Regards,

Jim
https://www.golightspeed.com/index.php?page=catalog
http://www.hisovs.org/

[Lloyd Danforth]

In my younger days, from time to time, I would snag a comely young socialist chic and convert her into thinking a freedom loving individual.  Many are naturals, but, haven't had exposure.  Can't say it stuck with all of them.

[error]

It's been my entirely anecdotal experience that almost every person who is vegetarian or vegan is so not because they correctly applied any sort of reason or logic or even studied food to any great extent, but because they have religious beliefs along the lines of "Meat is murder." These people, having abandoned reason and logic -- or worse, abused it to support their religious beliefs, are almost impossible to get through to.

Something similar is true of socialists. They have religious beliefs like "The poor should be helped" and "Workers should control production." But these people didn't always abandon reason and logic, or intentionally abuse it. Most of them have merely been brainwashed and misled, in crude violent government indoctrination centers at that, and getting through to them is not nearly as difficult. Simply show the truth: that government doesn't and can't help people, only hurt them.

[Pat K]

I would like to order 10,000 strike anywhere
matches please.

[KBCraig]

I would like to order 10,000 strike anywhere
matches please.

A steamfitter with access to pipes, expressing interest in explosive components?

You can expect a visit from ATF any second now...

[Pat K]

I would like to order 10,000 strike anywhere
matches please.

A steamfitter with access to pipes, expressing interest in explosive components?

You can expect a visit from ATF any second now...

I am not a Steamfitter, I am not a Steamfitter, Jesus christ KB
are you trying to get me killed by the Steamfitters union!!

They make the ATF look like Quakers.

[porcupine kate]

It's been my entirely anecdotal experience that almost every person who is vegetarian or vegan is so not because they correctly applied any sort of reason or logic or even studied food to any great extent, but because they have religious beliefs along the lines of "Meat is murder." These people, having abandoned reason and logic -- or worse, abused it to support their religious beliefs, are almost impossible to get through to.

Something similar is true of socialists. They have religious beliefs like "The poor should be helped" and "Workers should control production." But these people didn't always abandon reason and logic, or intentionally abuse it. Most of them have merely been brainwashed and misled, in crude violent government indoctrination centers at that, and getting through to them is not nearly as difficult. Simply show the truth: that government doesn't and can't help people, only hurt them.

There are some people who are raised vegetarian and have trouble adjusting to meat.  I saw a girlfriend of mine get sick for 4 days because she was 16 the first time she had meat.  She wanted to have a burger and hasn't had any meat since.

I know some vegetarians who control some medical conditions with great success eating no meat.  My aunt is much better condition than her siblings because she is much more careful about her diet.

Having said that there is no hope for vegans.  Those raw food only people are really weird too.

[J’raxis 270145]

I think Ron Helwig is a vegetarian for health reasons.

[Beth221]

Goat is easier to digest than Beef.  Maybe that would be better, and it tastes close to beef. 

Maybe any vegan who wants to eat a peice of meat should try goat!

[Ron Helwig]

I think Ron Helwig is a vegetarian for health reasons.

That is a very big part of it. Diabetes is rampant in my family. I've been a vegetarian since 1994, and I am in way better health than any other member of my family.

But I also don't buy the idea that rights are a binary deal (all or none). Sapience, one of the primary components of rights determination, isn't a yes/no proposition either - some animals have greater levels of sapience than others. I also believe sentience is a component of rights determination. (Sapience is to thinking as sentience is to sensing/feeling - most people use 'sentience' when they really mean 'sapience')

I still want to see a well developed 'Grand Universal Theory of Rights'. It should cover all kinds of possibilities like children, domesticated animals, robots, AIs, aliens, etc. While I'm not willing to go all the way on the precautionary principle, there are some things that should be obvious like no undue harm.

[J’raxis 270145]

But I also don't buy the idea that rights are a binary deal (all or none). Sapience, one of the primary components of rights determination, isn't a yes/no proposition either - some animals have greater levels of sapience than others. I also believe sentience is a component of rights determination. (Sapience is to thinking as sentience is to sensing/feeling - most people use 'sentience' when they really mean 'sapience')

I still want to see a well developed 'Grand Universal Theory of Rights'. It should cover all kinds of possibilities like children, domesticated animals, robots, AIs, aliens, etc. While I'm not willing to go all the way on the precautionary principle, there are some things that should be obvious like no undue harm.

I agree with this—I would use sapience as the determinant of whether or not something possesses rights. This is why I'm not a vegetarian, but at the same time I wouldn't kill or eat the meat from primates, especially the great apes, and cetaceans, as these animals seem to have demonstrated at least a rudimentary degree of sapience. And I am ready to extend rights protection to any sort of AI that may be invented, aliens that may be discovered, and so on.

I wouldn't use sentience as the determinant because I think it extends too far downward into the animal kingdom, and even to some plants. Insects can feel and yet their actual physiology, including their nervous system, is incredibly simplistic, and has actually been reverse-engineered in order to be used to design some robotic systems. Perhaps coupling sentience with the ability to experience emotion could be used as an indicator: can the animal not only experience physical suffering, but also experience psychological trauma as a result of it?