This Is What a Police State Looks Like

[grasshopper]

   I grew up in the 70, I know these type of people.  The kinds of people that call US military men and women baby killers, throw blood on people with fur coats and block every attempt we try to make to drill for oil in and out of our borders get in the faces of people they don't like and have cameras watching them while they instigate a violent act.  Some of these people are real Communists, and you know what?  I am a communist myself, but i volunteer to do things, not tell others to take it from others to redistribute.
   I am a Christian, or I try to be. I know some of these others.  "If it feels good, do it", they see no absolutes in anything.  They have no morality so they get angry with people that do and call them weak.  They look at Christians with contempt and anger, they bring law suites for personal gain well they care not for others.   I know these people, the fake hippies, the ones who took off their ponchos and clogs and went legit and put on suites. These people are not our friends, they are trouble makers.   Why in Gods name (or Elvis's name) would you post on somebody else's forum that you KNOW is being monitored by LEOs about fighting law enforcement?
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Quote from: yonder on January 19, 2008, 03:07 PM NHFT
If police are going to instigate violence, protesters should be prepared and equipped to defend themselves.


and what do you suggest Mister yonder?

almost everyone here (if not all) are non violent." Posted by KOLA
KOLA, you are rite on with your post, I am not talking about most Pot smokers, I'm talking about these other types of people.   I have friends, very close friends that smoke Pot, I love them as much as myself. Some people can handle reality, I can't smoke the stuff, it screws me up bad enough with a contact high, I can't function after laughing for 10 min.
  I'm not against protests, but throwing Molotov cocktails and rocks, throwing yourine in water bottles and other types of violent behavior of the few scum bags in the crowds makes the good people that are trying to get something done look bad.
   The few violent "protesters" need to beaten within an inch of their trust funded lives in my opinion.  These are the types of people that block roads and prevent ambulances to pass, they indanger lives.  If I am called to quell a violent protest, I will go it as per the orders of the Govoner of New Hampshire. If the cops themselves overreact because of a few bad apples, it is the responsibility of the peacefull protesters to track down the bad ones and bring them to justice.
   We need to see the whole picture, not just the small dots of peacefull protest and police brutality.
   I don't think discussing para military tactics in order to do violence on police on this forum is a good idea.  Force against force begets more force, sometimes a...   preventive strike.
   Though we should be aware of a "Friday the 13th" scenario and be prepaired to defend ourselves against tyranny, we have to consider the police our friends, though reluctantly.  Trust with verification.

[kola]

many of the "troublemakers" amongst the "hippie" peace rallies are federal or state "plants".

This seems to be the common ploy now.. as the fricken feds send in a couple of their goons who  pretend to be "hippies". They throw rocks (or whatever) and create havoc thus giving the other goonies a reason to use force.

non-weed smoking Hipppie Kola

[grasshopper]

Agreed, that was my point, I was trying to say it without saying it.  Now I have advocated kicking the crap out of "Agent Provocateur".
   It is something that each and every one of us has to think about in these days.   I don't trust them.  If they don't use their Homeland Security Money, they loose it so I can almost guarantee that there are scumbbag agents out there.

[kola]

I think the commonfolk need to start making file databases for COPS!

They are doing it to us. Some are already videoing the goons and I see many of the same goons at peace rallies etc. I know them by face and find their names via the paper or with zoom-in camera vids.

Video all of them, ask then their name and badge number, zoom in on their nameplate, their shoes, their watch, wedding bands, eye color, scars. This way we know EXACTLY who they are. They already know most of us.... so fair is fair dontchathink?

Kola 

[coffeeseven]

I think the commonfolk need to start making file databases for COPS!

They are doing it to us. Some are already videoing the goons and I see many of the same goons at peace rallies etc. I know them by face and find their names via the paper or with zoom-in camera vids.

Video all of them, ask then their name and badge number, zoom in on their nameplate, their shoes, their watch, wedding bands, eye color, scars. This way we know EXACTLY who they are. They already know most of us.... so fair is fair dontchathink?

Kola 

That would bore the crap outta me Kola. I'd rather film my usual useless crap I'd actually LIKE to look at again. 

Power Penguin scores again:

Under normal circumstances, yes, but these are police. They will first get their buddies to kick your ass, and then the general population will take their side by default, or at least be too scared to speak up against it. The best you can do is non cooperate, hope they don't kick your ass, and have your surviving buddies publicize the hell out of it if they do.

You could win the fist fight but look out then! Your chances of ending up dead increase dramatically when you give them what they want to give you. I mean if it's wrong for them to give it out what makes it right for us to give it out? Right or no?

[grasshopper]

   I think the overwhelmong point here that most would agree with is to push back a bit to make the people that carry out unconstututional laws and orders from international communist/socialist organisations think twice before they do something that might set off a civil war.
   In Nazi Germany (socialist Germany), the brown shirts intiminated the populace in conjunction with the Church telling people to do their duty for God (the book of Romans talking about listening to Government) to take the fight out of the people long enough for the Nazis (socialists) to get full power.  We can see this happening but with the educational system and the media.  Watch Fox news after the point of vomiting for a few min. longer and we all can see this kind of brainwashing.
   With the National ID card coming, we won't be able to travel, get a job, open a bank account, so the cashing of checks is out of the question, rent an apartment, get taxes back, .......and with the cashless society that is planned, we will have our food monitored, our fuel requirements...  ect.ect....
  The people that will be carrying out the enforcement of this abomination will be the jack booted thugs to worry about.
   Now, how do we nip this in the bud?  Just for an open discussion in case this country was taken over by Zombies.

[Bald Eagle]

I mean if it's wrong for them to give it out what makes it right for us to give it out? Right or no?

A. Of by and for, We the People.
B. Self defense is not initiation of force.
C. ask someone like Alexandr Solzhenitsyn:

And Solzhenitsyn laments that the citizens of St. Petersburg cowered behind their doors when the black
vans pulled up at their apartment houses night after night to arrest their neighbors. If only the decent
Russians had fought back, Solzhenitsyn says, if only they had ambushed some of these secret police thugs
in the hallways of their apartments with knives and pickaxes and hammers, if only they had spiked the
tires of the police vans while the thugs were in the apartments dragging out their victims, they could
easily have overwhelmed Yagoda's forces and forced an end to the mass arrests. But they didn't fight
back, and the arrests and liquidations continued. And so, Solzhenitsyn concludes, because of their
cowardice and their selfishness the Russians deserved what the communists did to them.

D. Live Free or Die.  WHY?  Because death is not the worst of evils.
    How long can you "live" without dignity, when you bow and lick the heel of every passing jackboot?
    I'm guessing that some out there might rather die on their feet than live on their knees.
    Free At Last.  The Tree of Liberty must be watered from time to time lest it pass from this world.

I mean, when you fuck with a porcupine, you get the quills.  Anyone with more intelligence than a 4-year-old would stop fucking with the porcupine.
We don't want violence but, "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."  -Jeff Cooper

"One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that 'violence begets violence.' I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy."  -Jeff Cooper, "Cooper vs. Terrorism", Guns & Ammo Annual, 1975

So just everybody sit back while growing hordes of testosterone-charged cadets get indoctrinated to view you as the enemy, the slave, and the punching bag.  Sit back while millions and billions get spent to outfit them with riot gear and gas and clubs and fully automatic weapons.  Sit back while they attend "classes" where they are pumped full of tactical scenarios, dynamic entries, and told that they are Gods that Must be In Control no matter what.  Sit back while the rage builds inside them because you are less than they are and they're stuck sitting in a patrol car all day handing out traffic tickets.

They're a ticking time bomb, and when they get issued a rubber-stamped warrant, all that rage and testosterone and black tactical gear will be pointed at YOU - the detestable slave/criminal/potential domestic terrorist.  If they accidentally pull the trigger because they FEEL threatened, they will not be punished, and they will get a paid vacation.

They are not ALL like that, but way way way too many are, and their numbers are growing.  And the good ones get pushed out because they don't want to be in an environment like that anymore.

Peace isn't about closing your eyes, clicking your ruby heels together, and wishing that all the bad people would be transformed into butterflies and flowers.  Ask any Peace Officer.  It's about putting down the childish fantasies that human nature can be anything other than what billions of years of history have shown it to be, not believing the lies of the politicians and the media, and doing the hard work to make sure that Liberty is protected at all costs.  Because Liberty is what allows grown men and women to live full productive lives that are largely peaceful. 

I don't want "peace," I want a world where everyone stop will acting like livestock and start acting like PEOPLE.  The only damn unpeaceful things I've experienced in my life have been because of criminals and the government, but then I repeat myself.

Oh, and Grasshopper:  The spellchecker underlines words in red.    My eyes are nearly bleeding.

[yonder]

I mean, when you fuck with a porcupine, you get the quills.  Anyone with more intelligence than a 4-year-old would stop fucking with the porcupine.
We don't want violence but, "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."  -Jeff Cooper

You know what, Stuart, I LIKE YOU. You're not like the other people, here, in the trailer park.

Oh, don't go get me wrong. They're fine people, they're good Americans. But they're content to sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick back a cool, Coors 16-ouncer. They're good, fine people, Stuart. But they don't know ...

[Raineyrocks]

I am/was.

[Bald Eagle]

They're a ticking time bomb,

so are you

Well, yeah, but that's because I ate a bunch of hummus, and those spicy beans always do that to me.
http://www.joe-ks.com/MultiMedia/GasPasser.htm

More wisdom from The Colonel:

February 1992--"We continue to be exasperated by the view, apparently gaining momentum in certain circles, that armed robbery is OK as long as nobody gets hurt! The proper solution to armed robbery is a dead robber. It is the responsibility of the victim to turn the tables and demolish the robber. Street crime will cease only when the perpetrator becomes convinced that his operations will almost surely result in his death."

November 1993--"Fight back! Whenever you are offered violence, fight back! The aggressor does not fear the law, so he must be taught to fear you. Whatever the risk, and at whatever the cost, fight back!"

I do my best to stop people from "fighting" even electronically on the forums, I do work for free to help support people that I don't always agree with, and my door is always open, and people are welcome to call me at any time if they need help.  I'm here to build a community, not let the people of this State be herded into Sobibor.  I'll bend over backwards to be a good neighbor if you simply treat me with common courtesy and respect.  I can even take some good-natured ribbing or well-founded criticism from people I hardly know.

But if you think I'm going to stand here and watch while the Fourth Reich gears up, you're out of your goddamned mind.  We're all just doing the best we can, and all the government does is lie and cheat and steal, and when they get bored of that, they invent crimes, falsify probable cause, and even make up the evidence and testimony.  If God turned them all into smoking cinders, millions of people would agree that they deserved it - but God's not likely to do that and I've been led to believe that God put us on this planet and gave us free will and freedom of choice for a reason.  Even C. S. Lewis holds that you and I are agents of good, and of God, and it's our moral duty to stamp out evil lest it fester and grow.

Weasels that perjure themselves under oath, lie, cheat, steal, murder, and rape - under color of law - deserve no respect, and will get none from me.  I've already said many times that I'd back up a REAL Peace Officer any day of the week.  As hard as it is to believe (even by me  ), I've got personal friends who for some reason decided to become, and remain, cops.  They're some of the few decent people who do that job.  It's the scumbag thugs who have no business terrorizing honest, hard-working men and women who aren't looking for trouble that I have an issue with.

Scurry back under whatever cowardly uncivilized rock you crawled out from and let your betters reclaim The Land of the Free and The Home of the Brave.

My  Life
My  Fortune
My  Sacred Honor

What the fuck are YOU offering?

[kola]

I mean, when you fuck with a porcupine, you get the quills.  Anyone with more intelligence than a 4-year-old would stop fucking with the porcupine.
We don't want violence but, "An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."  -Jeff Cooper

You know what, Stuart, I LIKE YOU. You're not like the other people, here, in the trailer park.
Oh, don't go get me wrong. They're fine people, they're good Americans. But they're content to sit back, maybe watch a little Mork and Mindy on channel 57, maybe kick back a cool, Coors 16-ouncer. They're good, fine people, Stuart. But they don't know ...

please clarify your comments yonder. Were they meant to be disrespectful, rude and obnoxious or I am just interpreting them incorrectly? and if so, who (specifically) are you talking about?

[yonder]

please clarify your comments yonder. Were they meant to be disrespectful, rude and obnoxious or I am just interpreting them incorrectly? and if so, who (specifically) are you talking about?

You are interpreting them incorrectly.  It was an obscure reference to a classic punk rock song, Stuart.

I read his post, was nodding my head, and started to write "You know, I really like you" and then the temptation to borrow from the Dead Milkmen was just unbearable.

But let me ask you this: do you know what the queers are doing to our soil?  They're in it with the aliens. They're building landing strips for gay Martians, I swear to God.

[alohamonkey]

holy shit . . . you busted out a Dead Milkmen quote?  that's where i knew that from . . . nice work.  haven't heard them in . . . well . . . about 15 years. 

[grasshopper]

 ;DSorry about the spiell chetck.  My boss was coming and he gets a little cranky when I'm fucking off on the clock.
  Sometimes I type so fast, I screw up so bad that I make myself sick.
   Now back to the tread;  So we need to know where the commies have their G3 jets, where they live, where they eat out in restaurants, where potential points of egress are and ect ect.....
   Henry Waxman read the book Point of Impact years ago, he passed it around and then we got out Assault Weapons Ban.  I guess the little Commie didn't like the fact that average citizen has a few Remington 700 rifles in various calibers