Souter's home to be taken?

[AlanM]

Chinese have 57 submarines and the gov't hasn't a clue what it has for nuclear capability with those subs.? ?

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[Michael Fisher]

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[John]

Where oh where are my property rights?
Oh Weare oh Weare  - Can it be?


Maybe another warrent article is in order  . . . You know, while everyone is in such a nice mood.

[Michael Fisher]

Where oh where are my property rights?
Oh Weare oh Weare? - Can it be?

Maybe another warrent article is in order? . . . You know, while everyone is in such a nice mood.

It would be nice if we had someone on the ground in Weare willing to do a petition for a warrant article to severely restrict eminent domain.   

[John]

Maybe we can find out if these boys and girls are serious:

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=57954

If they are, it should be easy.
If they are not, well, maybe the voters/property owners should know that.

[CNHT]

Besides, I believe that they got rid of the police chief that was doing background checks on people who were sponsoring citizen warrant article petitions.?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Kat Kanning]

http://www.freecannon.com/LostPrinciplesHotel.htm
"Lost Principles Hotel"

Published 01 August 2005

(word count: 750)

The ongoing account of the Lost Liberty Hotel may be the ultimate definition of comeuppance.  Take your choice of these choice clich?s:

Turnabout is fair play

Your chickens have come home to roost

He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword

What goes around comes around

Or, as the Advocates for Self-Government's Liberator Online labeled it, "Talk about poetic justice."

It all began when Supreme Court adjudicator David Souter cahooted with the majority in the Kelo case, which essentially said that any gang of low level lowlife liberty-loathing government-huggers can heist anybody's home and hand it over to business bigwigs because they'll pay more taxes than humble homeowners.

The last "i" had barely been dotted on the document when real estate magnate wannabe Logan Darrow Clements disclosed his designs on the prime piece of property currently occupied by the Souter home.  Since economic development will garner greater tax rates than a residence, Clements wants Souter's hometowners to invoke eminent domain and tear down the arbitrator's abode so Clements can construct the Lost Liberty Hotel in the homestead's stead.

The name of Clements' hostelry honors Hizzonor's decision.  It will feature the aptly appelled "Just Desserts Cafe" and a museum memorializing lost liberties.  Instead of Gideon Bibles, overnight guests can cop a copy of Ayn Rand's bible, "Atlas Shrugged."

The hotel has hogged the headlines from coast to coast to coast (Boston Globe, Los Angeles Times, The Greater Baton Rouge Business Report, where Executive Editor JR Ball has cast Clements into "the pantheon of my personal heroes") as well as well away from our coasts (Taipei Times).

On its face, the Lost Liberty Hotel has the scent of delicious retribution ? the enabler of eminent domain abuse hoisted by his own petard.  Serves him right!  The "reap what ye sow" morality (another clich?) sends a powerful message that resonates with many.

But it?s not a libertarian message.

In his Liberator Online article, "Talk about poetic justice," James W. Harris concluded with this rhetorical remark: "Will future Advocates events be held at The Lost Liberty Hotel?  Could be.  Stay tuned!"

It's likely impossible to find a meeting hall in this country that wasn't put together with some sort of politically poisonous real estate skullduggery.  Eminent domain.  Seizures.  Confiscations.  Annexations.  Urban renewal.  Zoning.  Land use planning.  Tax abatements and rebates.  Kickbacks.  Claim jumping.  Sustainable development.  "Treaties" with Native Americans.  There's little we can do about any of that now.  But how can a league of libertarians like the Advocates justify picking a meeting place specifically because the land on which it's built had been stolen from its previous owner?

But if that sounds a tad unlibertarian, it's nothing compared to Clements.

Clements' web site (freestarmedia.com) proclaims him a media mogul wannabe with a TV show "in development" that will feature anti-government David and Goliath stories.  One of the no-kidding suggested scenarios for his show: "Perhaps a government has threatened to use its eminent domain power to take someone's home and sell it to a shopping mall developer.  Viewers can deluge the city council with mail, faxes and e-mail asking for repeal of the decision or show up to stop the bulldozers."

What?  Doesn't Goliath Clements himself want to use government eminent domain power to take David (yes, "David") Souter's home and sell it to a developer?  Guess Clements wants to be both David and Goliath simultaneously.  Is that the lesson this hypocritical huckster learned from reading Ayn Rand?

Libertarians should never succumb to the egalitarian idea of justice that says everyone should get screwed equally.  That's a concept of collectivism.  Libertarians demand that everyone?s rights be protected equally.  Thievery through eminent domain is still thievery whether it?s your house or David Souter?s that?s being stolen.  Logan Darrow Clements belongs in nobody?s Hall of Fame for going after Souter?s house.  He?s just like every other eminent domain whore; only his target is different.

Libertarians should be the first on the ramparts, standing between Souter?s entry hall and the wrecking ball, brandishing placards that proclaim "Eminent domain is theft" and "Don?t tread on anybody."  The legitimate libertarian message is this: Even if Supreme Court Justice David Souter won?t protect our property rights, we?ll damn well protect his.

If Clements really wants his Lost Liberty Hotel to stand for something, he should purchase the property, not steal it like any commonplace political punk.  To quote yet another clich?: two wrongs don't make a right.

It's time for alleged libertarians to relearn the lessons of liberty.

- by Garry Reed

[CNHT]

Maybe we can find out if these boys and girls are serious:

http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=57954

If they are, it should be easy.
If they are not, well, maybe the voters/property owners should know that.

The selectman can't do a thing once the vote is cast by the people. If the people rule to kick Souter out, he's out bay-bee!

[Michael Fisher]

http://www.freecannon.com/LostPrinciplesHotel.htm
"Lost Principles Hotel"

Libertarians should never succumb to the egalitarian idea of justice that says everyone should get screwed equally.? That's a concept of collectivism.? Libertarians demand that everyone?s rights be protected equally.? Thievery through eminent domain is still thievery whether it?s your house or David Souter?s that?s being stolen.? Logan Darrow Clements belongs in nobody?s Hall of Fame for going after Souter?s house.? He?s just like every other eminent domain whore; only his target is different.

Libertarians should be the first on the ramparts, standing between Souter?s entry hall and the wrecking ball, brandishing placards that proclaim "Eminent domain is theft" and "Don?t tread on anybody."? The legitimate libertarian message is this: Even if Supreme Court Justice David Souter won?t protect our property rights, we?ll damn well protect his.

If Clements really wants his Lost Liberty Hotel to stand for something, he should purchase the property, not steal it like any commonplace political punk.? To quote yet another clich?: two wrongs don't make a right.

It's time for alleged libertarians to relearn the lessons of liberty.

- by Garry Reed

Woohoo!   

[CNHT]

Make sure your buddies file a citizen petition to have the rural agricultural zoning changed on the Souter property,? and by the way make sure your buddy Clements goes for the variances he will most likely require.? ?His fund-raising effort will get you the "best lawyer around".? This is an aberration that is probably not constitutional but go ahead and continue to attach your reputation to this Titanic effort.

We at CNHT have nothing to do with Clements and we have placed an item on the ballot that will allow the voters to decide this in March. We are not needing to change any zoning in order to construct a 'Constitution Park'. The house and land will remain, as a museum.
Our reputation is such that we are the only group in NH that gets things done.

[CNHT]

What has your group done lately?

Lately? LOL

This list would be too voluminous to post here..you would have to visit our office and consult the reams of binders on the wall there, which serve to document it all..in order to grasp what CNHT has done in the past and continues to do.

Indeed the NH legislators are seeking to tighten up laws to protect private property -- most likely spurred on by the endangerment of certain Judges' properties. We are getting the results we hoped for.

[CNHT]

What has your group done lately?? Nevermind, I'll look it up on that static website that takes no new members.

Huh? What are you talking about, no new members? New members are always welcome and are instantly signed up via the forms there.
There is reams of educational material on the left, and tons of experiential material in the calendar/forum where Ed posts.
There is a live streaming link for the radio show in the menu bar.
You can buy merchandise over the web on said page.

Static?

Apparently you have never clicked beyond the first page?

[CNHT]

Besides, I believe that they got rid of the police chief that was doing background checks on people who were sponsoring citizen warrant article petitions.?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Imagine that? I wonder who THAT group could have been?   Bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[CNHT]

I believe your group did expose that one.? ?We need a coordinated statewide effort to stop eminent domain abuse.? It would be far more effective than this Souter exploitation.

We not only exposed that, but made it so that the police chief is now an 'elected' position rather than appointed. And that particular chief who was illegally threatening citizens who were exercising their rights, iis long gone...

I believe the Souter 'exploitation' is working exactly as planned.....we will get the results YOU want, but not necessarily using the methods you agree with.?

[Lloyd Danforth]

Make sure your buddies file a citizen petition to have the rural agricultural zoning changed on the Souter property,? and by the way make sure your buddy Clements goes for the variances he will most likely require.? ?His fund-raising effort will get you the "best lawyer around".? This is an aberration that is probably not constitutional but go ahead and continue to attach your reputation to this Titanic effort.

We at CNHT have nothing to do with Clements and we have placed an item on the ballot that will allow the voters to decide this in March. We are not needing to change any zoning in order to construct a 'Constitution Park'. The house and land will remain, as a museum.
Our reputation is such that we are the only group in NH that gets things done.

Taking, even this pricks property is not, necessarly a good thing to get done.  Having said that, if you can't help yourselves or stop the ball from rolling, I would suggest condominumums over a park.  This would probably not violate zoning and would bring in extra Property taxes to Weare and not take the property off of the rolls and become a cost to the town due to maintainence.