Will we ever see Caleb again?

[Kat Kanning]

Here's your chance to predict the future 

[Tom Sawyer]

Will we ever see Caleb again?

Yeah on the evening news. 

[Kat Kanning]

LOL 

[srqrebel]

He'll be back.  After all, he is drawn to where the action is.  He just has to see for himself which side the grass is greenest, and there is certainly nothing wrong with that!

[Caleb]

I voted for "Yeah, He'll come back for vacationing". 

[kola]

Caleb, it seems you are a freedom guy. Why did you leave NH and go to Californication?

Kola

[Caleb]

I like it here. I need to brush up on Spanish for phase 2 of my grand master plan. New Hampshire isn't free. There are probably 10 people in NH who believe close to what I believe. I probably know six of them. There's a short list, and they are free wherever they are. Lauren? Put her in a jail cell and she's as free as she is in Winchester. Russell. Kat. Dave Manning. Menno's been moving like a freight train toward freedom. As has Dale. It's in your head. Everybody else seems to *want* freedom. But they aren't free. Being an anarchist doesn't make you free.

I want to be free. I think I am, but everyone could be more free. And most of all, I need to be around people that aren't free if I am to help them. I was sitting around with Dave Manning talking about this very subject when it hit me like a freight train. We all hang out together. We're ignoring the people who need help. I can't help Russell. He's already free. I can enjoy hanging around him, but I'm not accomplishing anything.

[srqrebel]

There's a short list, and they are free wherever they are. Lauren? Put her in a jail cell and she's as free as she is in Winchester. Russell. Kat. Dave Manning. Menno's been moving like a freight train toward freedom. As has Dale. It's in your head. Everybody else seems to *want* freedom. But they aren't free. Being an anarchist doesn't make you free.

I agree that being an anarchist doesn't make you free, even internally.  It takes a genuine paradigm shift -- seeing the AMOG for what it is, clearly enough to 100% withdraw from it.  Looking around, I see a lot of anarchists-in-principle who are still operating squarely within the old paradigm, yet are completely oblivious to this fact.

Yet this observation by itself ignores the fact that being physically at the mercy of aggressors is not freedom by any stretch of the imagination.

Freeing one's own mind certainly is where freedom must begin.  The paradigm shift I speak of brings about this internal freedom.  But the paradigm shift is nothing but a cruel joke if it does not ultimately lead to external freedom -- sort of like bringing the promised land into clear view but being unable to physically attain it.

Only the serious potential for spreading this paradigm shift virally to others until freedom becomes an external reality, provides the optimism to press on once one makes the shift.  I happen to see this potential just as clearly as I see the AMOG for what it is, and that is why I am very optimistic.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Caleb?

[kola]

Thanks for the explanation Caleb.

I really love Colorado (that is why I moved from NY to here) and I really love freedom.

I also believe the "freedom" part can be created in your head, so to speak..unless you want to fight the political system and/or get involved with civil dis.

In the last 5 years my ideas have changed (and now even moreso) as the reality of Ron Paul's campaign is proving there are not enough commonfolk wanting change.  I have chosen to live self sufficient in the mountains on a frugal lifestyle and exit "the system" as much as possible...and avoid violence...unless given no other choice, then I will defend myself and loved ones.

Good Luck and I hope you find your way,  
Kola

[Russell Kanning]

If you have to be around non "free" people to help them .... then you are all set in NH since there are only 10 of them.

I like concentrating our activism .... if you can make it here ... if not ... then you have to run in smaller circles.

[Kat Kanning]

Caleb?

You know, PatK's red-headed stepchild.

[John]

Hmm.

[BaRbArIaN]

There may be no periods of "real" freedom again until people start to privately colonize the asteroids and rocky planets in the solar system.  The distance and expense of exporting tyranny will allow it, at least until FTL travel shrinks things and shiploads of govt. thugs with guns are a mere jump away.  Hopefully by then some freedom loving folk will be heading out of the system ahead of them. 

Until then all we can really do is lay the groundwork by ensuring that ideals of liberty and freedom never completely die off in the next generation (a hard task indeed given the media/gaming/educational system distractions).   We are kindof like serfs in old Europe a century or so before anyone privately took a risk and chartered a ship to start their own rough colonies elsewhere (putatively under control of the mother countries, but effectively 4-6 months away from any replies/responses to living their own lives).

[MobileDigit]

There may be no periods of "real" freedom again until people start to privately colonize the asteroids and rocky planets in the solar system.  The distance and expense of exporting tyranny will allow it, at least until FTL travel shrinks things and shiploads of govt. thugs with guns are a mere jump away.  Hopefully by then some freedom loving folk will be heading out of the system ahead of them.

I totally disagree. Government is not actually in existence, it is merely composed of people that believe aggression can sometimes improve the situation. End that belief, and government ceases to exist forever, because liberty makes much more sense than tyranny.

Until then all we can really do is lay the groundwork by ensuring that ideals of liberty and freedom never completely die off in the next generation (a hard task indeed given the media/gaming/educational system distractions).   We are kindof like serfs in old Europe a century or so before anyone privately took a risk and chartered a ship to start their own rough colonies elsewhere (putatively under control of the mother countries, but effectively 4-6 months away from any replies/responses to living their own lives).

Now we have the internet and the FSP. We can do what couldn't be easily done a hundred years ago: move across the country and the world in search of true freedom. Activist groups smaller than ours have been able to positively influence change, and I believe we could do it too, sooner rather than later.