Robert Saulnier Trial Aug. 15th

[Pat K]

Dude, when you are ready to take action let us know.? That's what we are about here - action.
Wanna debate?? Some of us are tired of the debating.? That's why we are hitting the ground . . . see you on the street?

Sure, I'd love to help and all that. But I've had several FSP members threaten me with various things for attempting to implement my "extreme" libertarian ideas in a real life situation.

:shrug:

What did they do, threaten to put it on your permenet record?

[Michael Fisher]

Dude, when you are ready to take action let us know.? That's what we are about here - action.
Wanna debate?? Some of us are tired of the debating.? That's why we are hitting the ground . . . see you on the street?

Sure, I'd love to help and all that. But I've had several FSP members threaten me with various things for attempting to implement my "extreme" libertarian ideas in a real life situation.

:shrug:

Oh, it must be Zack Bass.

[John]

sung,
The FSP has nothing to do with you - nor me - once we are here. ?Nor should they!

Are you here? ?
What "extreem" positions do you take?
I will not nessesarily agree with you, but we are open and honest here on the "underground".
We have no secrets.
State your case.

Since we are getting toward "debate" and away from the topic of this tread, let's start a new thread for you. ?Let's call it "sung's solutions."

[Russell Kanning]

Sure, I'd love to help and all that. But I've had several FSP members threaten me with various things for attempting to implement my "extreme" libertarian ideas in a real life situation.

what are you trying to do? .....who is threatening? what?
maybe just don't listen to them

[John]

Sure, I'd love to help and all that. But I've had several FSP members threaten me with various things for attempting to implement my "extreme" libertarian ideas in a real life situation.

what are you trying to do? .....who is threatening? what?
maybe just don't listen to them

Maybe Russell is the most practicle man among us - - -  "maybe just don't listen to them"

[Michael Fisher]

Here's an idea for a publicity stunt that could help Salty or others like him.

We could hold a "Counter-Trial" for Salty.  We would make it a real event, consider all evidence, and come to real conclusions without the State's dirty courtroom tricks getting in the way.  We could even invite Salty's family and other witnesses.  We would accept all photographic evidence, receipts, and laws to determine the true ownership of the property.

This idea comes from the counter-trial publicity stunt that was used successfully in Germany by the Communists to attack the policies of the Nazis.   

Wikipedia quote:

"Counter-trial" Organized by the German Communist Party

During the summer of 1933, a counter-trial was organized in London by a group of lawyers, democrats and other anti-Nazi propagandists under the aegis of German Communist ?migr?s. The Chairman of the "Counter-trial" was the Labour politician Sir Stafford Cripps, but the chief organizer behind the "counter-trial" was KPD's propaganda chief Willi M?nzenberg. The counter-trial lasted one week and ended with the conclusion the defendants were innocent, and the true initiators of the fire are found amid the leading NSDAP elite. G?ring was found guilty at the counter-trial. The counter-trial served as a workshop during which all possible scenarios were tested and all speeches of the defendants were prepared. The "Counter-trial" was an enormously successful publicity stunt for the German Communists.

[Dave Ridley]

What about a non-governmental trial of some sitting government official?  If so, who would be a good candidate?  I favor Lynch since he would not benefit from free publicity like a more obsure politician would.   

However I definitely don't have the patience to make something like this happen myself. 

[zackbass]

This idea comes from the counter-trial publicity stunt that was used successfully in Germany by the Communists to attack the policies of the Nazis.   

Wikipedia quote:
"Counter-trial" Organized by the German Communist Party
  During the summer of 1933... G?ring was found guilty at the counter-trial. The counter-trial served as a workshop during which all possible scenarios were tested and all speeches of the defendants were prepared. The "Counter-trial" was an enormously successful publicity stunt for the German Communists.

Interesting theory.  And as a result of this "publicity stunt that was used successfully in Germany", how did the German Communists fare relative to the German Nazis during the next decade or so?

[president]

This idea comes from the counter-trial publicity stunt that was used successfully in Germany by the Communists to attack the policies of the Nazis.   

Wikipedia quote:
"Counter-trial" Organized by the German Communist Party
  During the summer of 1933... G?ring was found guilty at the counter-trial. The counter-trial served as a workshop during which all possible scenarios were tested and all speeches of the defendants were prepared. The "Counter-trial" was an enormously successful publicity stunt for the German Communists.

Interesting theory.  And as a result of this "publicity stunt that was used successfully in Germany", how did the German Communists fare relative to the German Nazis during the next decade or so?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany

Soon after the appointment of Hitler as Chancellor, the Reichstag was set on fire. The Nazis publicly blamed the fire on Communist agitators (though many historians believe that the Nazis themselves set the fire). They used the fire as a pretext to introduce laws enabling suppression of political parties. The Enabling Act, which legally gave Hitler dictatorial control of Germany, was passed by a Reichstag session held after the Communist deputies had been arrested and jailed.

The KPD was brutally suppressed by the Nazis ? known Communists were sent to concentration camps and systematically killed during the Holocaust. Many German Communists ended up dead (Ernst Th?lmann, Werner Seelenbinder), in exile (Walter Ulbricht), or were imprisoned (Erich Honecker).

Seems like a good model to follow.

[zackbass]

Unfortunately, the old Town Manager cannot be questioned on this because he's dead.

the only good kind of bureaucrat

Russell, that is a very violent comment.  Even if you were kidding, that's a terrible joke in my opinion.   

The only good bureaucrat is a dead bureaucrat.  No joke.
For those of you who are patient, that is not a violent comment.

In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equal to "civil master."   --  Lazarus Long
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein

[Lloyd Danforth]

A bureaucrat who, simply, stops being a bureaucrat, left alive, is acceptable.

[president]

When you guys talk about bureaucrats, do you only mean government bureaucrats?

I think the FSP now has more bureaucracy than FEMA.


That sure is a lot of bureaucrats for a bus.

[Russell Kanning]

you don't even get points for an original post .... Kat already posted that chart .....

although it is scary ...... how can it compare to fema the fsp is all volunteer and what does fema spend? billions?

[Russell Kanning]

where on the chart do they have fsp trolls? they must have a whole division

[zackbass]

When you guys talk about bureaucrats, do you only mean government bureaucrats?

Natcherly.  Government is Force.