Doctor error or gimmick to "test" people?

[kola]

By KATHLEEN HENNESSEY, Associated Press Writer 36 minutes ago

LAS VEGAS - Nearly 40,000 people learned this week that a trip to the doctor may have made them sick. In a type of scandal more often associated with Third World countries, a Las Vegas clinic was found to be reusing syringes and vials of medication for nearly four years. The shoddy practices may have led to an outbreak of the potentially fatal hepatitis C virus and exposed patients to HIV, too.

The discovery led to the biggest public health notification operation in U.S. history, brought demands for investigations and caused scores of lawyers to seek out patients at risk for infections.

Thousands of patients are being urged to be tested for the viruses. Six acute cases of hepatitis C have been confirmed. The surgical center and five affiliated clinics have been closed.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/...titis_exposure

[ReverendRyan]

[J’raxis 270145]

I don't see how news about a health clinic engaging in shoddy practices is a "tinfoil hat" conspiracy theory.

(Nor do I see, of course, how this proves kola's case that all allopathic medicine is corrupt, which I'm fairly certain was the intent of the original post.)

[kola]

its corrupt, any way you look at it.

Kola

[ReverendRyan]

I shy away from the term allopathy. I prefer to just call it evidence-based medicine.

[erisian]

Evidence based medicine is good. Greed based medicine is not. The 10 largest pharmaceutical companies in the US account for 50% of the net profits of the Fortune 500 corporations, while their products kill 100,000 people per year in the US. http://www.americandrugwar.com/ I'm on a medication that sells for $161,000 per gram. And you thought cocaine was pricey.

[ReverendRyan]

Evidence based medicine is good. Greed based medicine is not. The 10 largest pharmaceutical companies in the US account for 50% of the net profits of the Fortune 500 corporations, while their products kill 100,000 people per year in the US. http://www.americandrugwar.com/ I'm on a medication that sells for $161,000 per gram. And you thought cocaine was pricey.

Agreed, but the problem is forced monopolies, not the medicines themselves. Their products may kill 100,000 a year, but how many do they save?

[kola]

I dunno Ryan. How many do they save?


Kola

[J’raxis 270145]

I shy away from the term allopathy. I prefer to just call it evidence-based medicine.

That's overly broad, because some "naturopathic" medicine also actually works, but isn't what I'm talking about here. (Before we start a side-debate, I'm not talking about "homeopathy," but the sort of medicine that uses traditional herbs, knowledge, &c..)

Allopathic refers specifically to the kind of "mainstream" medicine that the government regulates and that business makes a killing at. The term was unfortunately invented by homeopaths in the nineteenth century, but it's still useful.

[Caleb]

Some aspects of "allopathic" medicine are anything but "evidence based". For instance, I think that the reliance that "allopathic" medicine places on anti-depressants is a true sham.

[kola]

allopathic medicine is nothing more than "traditional" western medicine using drugs and surgery.
I call it D and S.

evidence based medicine is a newage term which tries to seperate allopathic from any other forms...or is used in attempt to validate all the others.

ie they are some "newage" chiropractors (gag..puke) who say the are practicing "evidence based medicine" in hopes they can gain recogniton from the almighty MD's. And yes, there are other alternative practitioners who are trying to do the same. They are all looking for validation. They are saying, " Hey look here patients and real doctors (MD's), I am doing "real" medicine stuff. I want to be like you so please look at all these stuides I have that show I am good and worthy."

I think we all agree the "evidence" is too often tainted.

Kola

[kola]

Some aspects of "allopathic" medicine are anything but "evidence based". For instance, I think that the reliance that "allopathic" medicine places on anti-depressants is a true sham.

How about giving out birth control pills to teenage girls to clear their acne? Thats common here.
BTW, I am not saying teenagers shouldn't have sex because I strongly believe very much in pro-creation and responsibility for ones actions. Kids have sex. That ain't gonna stop.

My issues are that BC pills are very damaging to the female body. Thats my bitch.

[J’raxis 270145]

Some aspects of "allopathic" medicine are anything but "evidence based". For instance, I think that the reliance that "allopathic" medicine places on anti-depressants is a true sham.

Also true. Evidence-based is a good term for good medicine, but it doesn't line up neatly with any of the camps modern medicine is divided into.

[mackler]

its corrupt, any way you look at it.

Kola

It's more than just corrupt.  It is possibly the most corrupt institution of modern society.  The war industry and the Federal Reserve system give it a run for its money, but it's definitely in the top three.

Ryan is partially correct.  Allopathy is evidence-based.  What he's leaving out is that, as with other religions, the allopathic evidence is not scientific evidence.  Christianity is also evidence-based.  It has a big book of evidence called the Bible.  That doesn't make it scientific.

I would love one of you true-believers in the allopathic cult to show me the evidence, for example, that aspirin is safe and effective.  That should be pretty easy.

Do a little probing and you find that most of their "evidence" is television commercials for pharmaceuticals.  Oh yeah, that's really scientific.

[J’raxis 270145]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-blind