LIBERTY DOLLAR ALERT - Bernard's latest e-mail

[ReverendRyan]

From what you're saying, after Manch 23, I'll be able to walk into a Liberty Dollar office, hand them forty Liberty Dollars, and tell them to give me one hundred Liberty Dollars.  Then I could stick sixty of the Liberty Dollars they just handed me into my pocket, hand them back the other forty Liberty Dollars, and tell them to give me one hundred Liberty Dollars.  And I could keep doing this.  Obviously I'm missing something.

Then again you keep saying that there is no metal backing any Liberty Dollars, in which case Liberty Dollars are worthless, the company is out of business and I'm wasting my time by even talking to anyone trying to pass them off on me.

I personally, do not like the idea of such a huge jump, but it's really straightforward.

A 2007 $20 LD is backed by one ounce.
A 2008 $50 LD is backed by one ounce.

You walk into the office, hand them a one ounce certificate, and you get a new one ounce certificate.

End of story.

It's just like when any govt makes a new currency due to hyperinflation. You exchange a certain amount of the old for a certain amount of the new. It's a one-time transaction.

[mackler]

A 2007 $20 LD is backed by one ounce.
A 2008 $50 LD is backed by one ounce.

You walk into the office, hand them a one ounce certificate, and you get a new one ounce certificate.

Now I'm even more confused.  You say "one once certificate."  Are the certificates denominated in LDs or ounces?  They have numbers in the corner like all money.  That number is the number of LDs, not the number of ounces isn't it?  If there's such a thing as a "one ounce certificate" then what's the point of the number in the corner except to distract me from the real value of the certificate?

And you're saying there's not just one kind of Liberty Dollars  There are "old" Liberty Dollars and there are "new" Liberty Dollars?  And the new ones are worth forty percent of the old ones?  So every time someone wants to pay me with LDs, I have to read the fine print and then do a mathematical equation to figure out how much backing I'm getting?  And I'm just supposed to hope I don't accidentally accept old LDs when I thought I was getting new LDs?    What am I supposed to do: have two cash trays, one for old LDs and one for new LDs?  And if I want to price my goods in LDs, do I have to put two price tags on each item (three if I also price them in FRNs)?  And if I enter into a contract to be paid in LDs, how do I know whether there's a contract breach when I'm paid with new LDs rather than old?  And how do I deposit new LDs into a digital LD account containing old LDs?  Do I first have to first convert them into old LDs?  Or do I have to open a second digital new LD account?  Or do I just deposit old LDs into the digital account and get new LDs when I withdraw them?  And what's going to happen the next time they devalue their currency.  Are we going to have "new new Liberty Dollars" and then I'll have to get a third cash tray and open a third digital LD account?  It all sounds like a confusing nightmare mess from hell.

It's just like when any govt makes a new currency due to hyperinflation. You exchange a certain amount of the old for a certain amount of the new. It's a one-time transaction.

Exactly.  It's just like a government currency.  And if I wanted the problems of a government currency, I would just use a government currency.

Listen, I'm no fan of Federal Reserve notes, but at least there's only one kind, and they're totally fungible with each other.  I do want to use a private alternative currency, but I am a fan of "just weights and measures."  If I have to worry about which kind of LD someone is trying to pay me with, that's confusion I don't need in my business.  I want an inflation-proof currency backed by a stable amount of metal.  If these Liberty Dollar people are just going to do the same thing the Feds did in the 1960s and devalue their currency units by fiat, how is their currency any more honest than government currency?

I think I agree with Russell.  Paper money is debt-based money, whether it's based on a government promise or whether it's based on a private party's promise.  The best idea is to use actual metal pieces, and Liberty Dollar's prices on their metal pieces are far from competitive.

[ReverendRyan]

Agreed. So when will you be volunteering to help out with Shire Silver?

[coffeeseven]

<quote>I want an inflation-proof currency backed by a stable amount of metal.</quote>

Don't we all. What will your ultra stable currency be backed by?

[mackler]

Agreed. So when will you be volunteering to help out with Shire Silver?

I'm taking the New Hampshire bar exam in July.  If Shire Silvers needs any legal services, I'm your man.

[ReverendRyan]

Agreed. So when will you be volunteering to help out with Shire Silver?

I'm taking the New Hampshire bar exam in July.  If Shire Silvers needs any legal services, I'm your man.

We'll hold you to that :-P

Go to shiresilver.org and register a username

[coffeeseven]

I stopped posting these because I thought most everyone who cared was already on the mailing list. I HAD TO post this latest though.

FREE MARIJUANA CHURCH
OF HONOLULU

Retirement to 'Blow Your Mind'

HONOLULU, HAWAII - Retiree wants you to 'blow your mind' at his new church - that literally goes up in holy smoke.

Bernard von NotHaus, who recently retired, explains that now is the time to get high and talk to God. So he founded the Free Marijuana Church that uses a 'chemical' to practice his religious belief. He even has a name for it: Chemicalology.

Von NotHaus offers high-grade marijuana to Church members so they get high and tune into their higher consciousness just has he has. What a heady idea indeed!

Von NotHaus is certainly not your usual dope dealer. In fact, he does not sell marijuana at the Free Marijuana Church. He gives it away - for free! Church members simply step into the "high room" for one toke of sacramental marijuana then retire to the Meditation Room and close their eyes in serene bliss.

Those who have tried the Free Marijuana Church praise the concept of simply getting "high" and tuning in to the God within their own minds. But is this new 'Church of Higher Consciousness' legal?

Von NotHaus is adamant his church is legal - quoting the First Amendment and pointing to court decisions regarding the Native America Church that uses peyote as its sacrament. Plus he says that the church is financially well prepared to defend its use of marijuana as a religious sacrament.

It does seem like the time has come for a new spirituality. Recently, the Department of Neuroscience at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore conducted a double blind study to evaluate the psychological effects of a psilocybin - used for centuries for religious purposes. Of the 36 volunteers, 67% rated the psilocybin experience as being among the five most spiritually significant experiences of their lives; 64% indicated that the experience increased well-being or life satisfaction and 58% had a 'complete' mystical experience.

The idea of using drugs to induce a spiritual or mystical experience is certainly not new or "far out." Well informed researchers point out that history is full of mystics and visionaries who have used all kinds of drugs, yoga, meditation, fasting, self-flagellation and other methods to take themselves beyond the mundane daily consciousness.

Von NotHaus confesses to using marijuana for over 40 years and has kept a Journal of his sacramental usage every Sunday for the past 12 years. He sounds like a modern day Martin Luther who is well prepared to challenge the current religious landscape.

But von NotHaus credits his mentor Dr. Timothy Leary, the legendary High Priest of LSD, with blazing the chemical trail to God.

Not doubt about it. The Free Marijuana Church is truly a 'mind blowing' religious concept. And it will probably blow a lot of minds as his church is in Hawaii - home of Maui Wowie.

For further info:
www.FreeMarijuanaChurch.org

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[Fluff and Stuff]

Someone can make a thread about this.  I'm just updating this thread because it's happened again, and it's worse this time.

And a slightly different link, http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/pr_nl/06_04_2009.htm

Jim Davidson posted this on Facebook.

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I am posting this here as information of interest to some of my friends. Text below is by Bernard for himself. (Note that he confuses the Ninth Amendment for the Tenth, but he's had a stressful time of it.)

*_LIBERTY DOLLAR ALERT:_*
June 2009 Vol. 11 No. 06-A

Urgent News for All Liberty Dollar Supporters!

*FBI Arrests Bernard, Kevin, Sarah & Rachelle
The battle for a value based currency has began!*

The last two days have been amazing! Just shortly after midnight on Tuesday, the
phone started ringing and I let the answering machine take the call. But very
soon there was another call with an even more urgent message! Very quickly, a
friend of Kevin Innes, explained to me that Kevin had been "detained" by the
local sheriff and was being held for the FBI to arrest him! Holy Cow!! The #2
supporter for the Liberty Dollar and co-instructor at the Liberty Dollar
University training sessions was in deep trouble with the Feds! I was sure to be
next. But would they arrive in a few minutes or would it be a pre-dawn Nazi
style assault?

Finally, I got up at 4:00 AM. I was very concerned for Kevin and wondered when
the FBI would hit me. Fortunately the morning was quickly filled with a flurry
of calls from Kevin's friend, other interested parties, the usual business calls
and making preparations for the inevitable knock on the door. But nobody came.
Then just after noon, Niles, who's wife, Rachelle, manages the Liberty Dollar
Fulfillment Office, called to tell me that Rachelle had been picked up by the
FBI at the LD Office and was due to be arraigned in just a few hours! The FBI
strikes again!

Luckily, I was able to talk to Rachelle via her cell phone while the FBI was
holding her. I was pleased that the FBI agents were the friendly professional
types and afforded Rachelle and I quite a few minutes of private conversation.
Under the circumstances, Rachelle's demeanor and resolve was right on target.
And very quickly, I learned that a warrant had been issued for my arrest. And
just a quickly, Rachelle was off to court to be arraigned.

Much later in the afternoon, I learned to my surprise that three big FBI agents
had arrested Sarah at work. She and Rachelle were arraigned together and quickly
released to on their own recognizance (OR) before the sun set on a very eventful
day for the Liberty Dollar. The quick, professional effort with Sarah and
Rachelle were gratifying and encouraging. Unfortunately, I was to learn that
Sarah lost her job because of this event.

By last afternoon it was clear that the Liberty Dollar would be best served by
my turning myself in to the to the US Marshals, otherwise know as 'self
reporting.' After a few calls, I found myself talking to Agent Andy (aka Agent
F) who was his usual friendly, chatty self. He even recognized my voice although
we had only spoken twice and that was over 18 months ago. Sure enough he
confirmed that a federal arrest warrant for my arrest had been issued. And after
a bit of gamesmanship with Agent Andy, I agreed to report to the US Marshal's
office in Fort Myers, Florida at 9:00 AM on Thursday morning as it was too late
to be arraigned, plus an overnight in jail would have wrinkled by clothes

The following morning, Thursday, June 3, 2009, I actually arrived at the
Marshal's office at 8:30 due to light traffic. As the saying goes, "If you gotta
do time, do federal time." Quite simply, the federal boys are better educated,
better trained and have better manners. I was immediately escorted to a holding
cell. After an hour or less, I met with the Pre-Trila Service rep and made it to
court at 11:00 in chains and handcuffs. The female judge was businesslike and
granted my request to attend my son's graduation in Physics from UCLA next week.
After fingerprinting, signing a $50,000 Appearance Bond, one final meeting with
the Pre-Indictment Service rep, I was free.

In general, the arraignment was a pleasant affair. The US Marshals did their job
with very little attitude, as they should. After all, I am self reporting, and
it is for anything violent, I just want to prove that I have a right to issue my
own currency and if any body chooses to use it then it is a "private contract."
It is certainly not a crime.

*And so it came to pass,* 2009 years after the birth of Christ, that four
regular Americans have taken a stand to defend the People's right to protect
themselves from a government currency that has a long and unforgiving history of
stealing the people's purchasing power. This is a test of individual rights, as
protected by the Tenth Amendment. It is the deciding moment that a private
voluntary barter currency (PVBC) is legal in the great United States of America.
This is a test that the Liberty Dollar must and will pass, for that I have no
doubt. But it will not be easy or cheap. Please, if you support our efforts,
support us with any kind of money you have, including pro bono services. Now
that the Liberty Dollar faces a federal criminal trial, it is the *US Government
v Liberty Dollar* ala Bernard, Kevin, Sarah & Rachelle. Please help us win.
Please help yourself win. Please help American win.

Very simply this is a Win or Lose battle. In addition to money for this legal
fight we need articles that reference non-government currency, such as Air Miles
as currency, legal research assistance, expert witnesses, legal assistance, etc.
If you support the ideals of the Liberty Dollar, this is the time to get behind
the Liberty Dollar. We critically need your help! Please send your digital info
to Legal@LibertyDollar.org <mailto:Legal@LibertyDollar.org> and your donations
of value including other kinds of "currencies" to:
LIBERTY DOLLAR
225 N. Stockwell Road
Evansville. Indiana. 47715

*The best news* is that the Liberty Dollar finally has the opportunity to prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is legal. Over two years ago I sued the US
government for a Declaratory Judgment to resolve the legality issue. And how did
they respond, they raided the Liberty Dollar and confiscated over $4 million
dollars in gold, silver and cash. The US government has done everything possible
to kill the Liberty Dollar! And guess what? It has not worked. The mere fact
that the Liberty Dollar is still in business is a testament to your demand for
Real Money and the ideals that the Liberty Dollar represents.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your support! Trust me, the Liberty Dollar
is not made up of any fat cats. We are all just regular Americans. And we all
just want good money, a lot less government and no damn war!

Click HERE <http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/06042009_doj_pr.pdf> for a
stilted Press Release by the DOJ. Its three pages with a whopper by Owen Harris,
Special FBI Agent in Charlotte who said, "When groups try to replace the US
dollar with coins and bills that don't hold the same value..." WOW what a
telling statement of pure spin.

Click HERE <http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/05192009_indictment.pdf> for
the 13 page Indictment.
Click HERE <http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/06032009_warrant_sb.pdf> for
Sarah's Arrest Warrant.

*Guess what?! Liberty Dollar still in business and we need more business!* As
there has been no Cease and Desist Order, Liberty Dollar remains *OPEN FOR
BUSINESS*. Please visit our shopping cart for all the 2009 Liberty, Peace,
Freedom, T-Dollars and more. Don't be bashful or stupid. Silver is going to the
moon, just as sure as the US dollar is going to hell with your purchasing power.
Now is the time to protect your purchasing with the "inflation proof" currency
and help usher in a new monetary model that provides the only proven, peaceful,
and profitable solution to the monetary cancer that has infected America.

*OUTSTANDING ORDERS:* Please rest assured that we will fill all outstanding
orders. Yes, after producing a sizable amount of pre-minted Silver Libertys and
finally getting current with most orders, we changed mints and are now behind
again. We apologize emphatically! Poor and/or slow delivery is not acceptable
business. It hurts everyone. And just when we were about to get current again we
were arrested. Please continue to support us with your patience too. We promise
to get every order out ASAP. But as I hope you can understand, it is a struggle
to run a business, any business, in such an environment and fight a major legal
battle for our right to protect our purchasing power

*The last few 2009 Arrest Dollars
<http://www.silverlibertymarketing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=343>*.
Are you familiar with the Arrest Dollars? Starting in 2007 and continuing
through this year the Arrest Dollar is one ounce Silver Liberty that is
specially hand hallmarked with a micro "handcuffs" stamp and my federally
registered mintmark. Issued only from the day of the raid to today. The last few
2009 Arrest Dollars are currently on the Shopping Cart
<http://www.silverlibertymarketing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=343>.
After these are gone, they are gone to eBay for much more money.

*The 2009 Tea Party Dollar
<http://www.silverlibertymarketing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=79>* (T-Dollar)
is still available and we are still waiting confirmation on the shipment. We are
still expecting to have the first batch order in the first 24 HOURS here for the
July 4 events. The T-Dollar is still only a buck for an ounce of copper AND you
can still get them for 10% discount to they $1 face value for a 100 or more.
Hey, they are only a buck you can't go wrong. Plus every copper issue has sold
out. Get these while you can and help support our legal efforts tooJ

*The 2009 Silver Libertys
<http://www.silverlibertymarketing.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=77>!* The
backbone of the Liberty Dollar model is the one ounce .999 fine silver Lib! Just
in the last few days, silver has bounced back over $16, soon the 30 day moving
average will be $16 and the Liberty Dollar will Move Up again to the $50 Silver
Base. PLEASE don't be dumb and buy silver when it is high. Get it NOW!!! Sure it
is not $5 per ounce any more, nor will it ever be again. $5 silver is just not
possible with the government spending phony baloney fiat money like a drunken
sailor. Please order silver now and protect your purchasing power and profit
tomorrow!

Stay tuned to the Liberty Dollar News as we vindicate and validate the legality
of the Liberty Dollar. Please take an active role in this exciting and
profitable time. Don't lose out. Get involved with the Liberty Dollar to make
money, do good and have fun. I am having as much fun in my 60's and I did in The
60's and hope you are too.

Thanks again for your support.

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect
Editor@LibertyDollar.org <mailto:Editor@LibertyDollar.org>
www.LibertyDollar.org <http://www.libertydollar.org>
888.LIB.DOLLAR
888.421.6181

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[John Edward Mercier]

He also confuses that the Ninth and Tenth do not over ride the empowerment contained within Article One Section Eight.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Has Bernard paid anyone back yet?

[Little Owl]

I read the indictment and it seems a bit shorter than the original list of causes for the seizure of November.  What troubled me was the section about forfeiture.  They didn't explicitly state that forfeiture was conditional upon a conviction.  I'd like to think that should all be acquitted (highly unlikely) the materials must be returned.

Without the usual paranoia, can anybody answer the legal issue about forfeiture?

[John Edward Mercier]

Forfeiture would be dependent on ownership, and material loss through decision.
Depending on how the business is set up... it could be minor or extreme.

[LordBaltimore]

I read the indictment and it seems a bit shorter than the original list of causes for the seizure of November.  What troubled me was the section about forfeiture.  They didn't explicitly state that forfeiture was conditional upon a conviction.  I'd like to think that should all be acquitted (highly unlikely) the materials must be returned.

Without the usual paranoia, can anybody answer the legal issue about forfeiture?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/Rule32_2.htm

[mackler]

From the press release:

The indictment alleges that members affiliated with NORFED sell the Liberty Dollar coin
at a greater price than they pay for it, and that the profit for these individuals is the difference
between their discounted purchase price and the price for which they sell the coin.

What a novel idea.  Buying low and selling high.  I'll have to remember that one.

Well, at least LDs have been upgraded from "pieces" to "coins."  That seems like a step in the right direction.

[jaqeboy]

Here's the text of Bernard's email of earlier today, also found here on the LD site.
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   LIBERTY DOLLAR ALERT:
June 2009 Vol. 11 No. 06-B

Welcome Liberty Dollar Supporters!

WOW! What a week! In answer to the many inquiries about how the "Liberty Dollar Four" are doing, we feel GOOOOOOOOOOD! As Eric Clapton and the Cream sang so many years ago: "I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad!" Sure the handcuffs and shackles, drama of the courtroom and finally making bond is a bit unnerving, but now a week after the arrest it is a lot easier to see the whole picture. We are going to win and going to win BIG!

For many years, Liberty Dollar has quested to belay the fears that the government was going to "come after us." And for quite a number of years we have pursued the government to resolve the legal issue and for the US Mint to remove their "warning" that use of the Liberty Dollar was illegal.

Well, we finally got our wish! Kevin, Sarah, Rachelle and I were arrested and now the government must prove their trumped up charges in court before twelve people. I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to this trial!

Make no doubt about it, this is not going to be easy, without pain or costs. If we want to exercise our right to use gold and silver as a "private voluntary barter currency"; if we want "sound money"; if we want to stop being ripped off of our purchasing power then we have to defend our rights. As stated in Bernard's Second Law of Money: Any law that purports to prohibit an American citizen from using a piece of gold or silver (or, for that matter, anything) in voluntary transactions between consulting adults is preposterous, antagonistic to a free market, and totally without legal merit. Click HERE for the Four Laws of Money.

Currently: Bernard, Sarah and Rachelle are out on Appearance Bond and no initial court date has been set in North Carolina, but it won't be long. Kevin Innes is being held as he is a Canadian citizen and considered a flight risk. While, regretfully Sarah has lost her job when the FBI picked her up at work, Kevin's fate is worse as he may be held till December due to the immigration issue. His initial court date is July 6 but it may be months before he is out. You can help/write/send money order made out to Kevin at:

William K. Innes PID 377054
PO Box 31427
Charlotte NC 28231
Money order must include: Birth date Sept-3-1955 and PID 377054
Remember all mail is read.
Visitation is on Saturday in Charlotte.

And to round out this three-ring circus, the Department of Justice (DOJ) must reply to our two civil lawsuits for recovery of the wrongfully seized material on June 17 and June 20. Stay tuned for more fireworks as government tries to extricate themselves from the wringer... while we keep cranking along

Now, there are several ways for you to help. Of course, sending money is the easiest way... and we gladly accept any and all monies. In fact you can donate right from our shopping cart. Just click HERE. And while "money," be it counterfeit or not, is at the heart of the trial, it is certainly not the only way you can help. Most important, is our need for competent attorney to combat the counterfeit, similitude and confiscation issues. The person needs to be the best we can find and hopefully one who is personally convinced of the Liberty Dollar mission and will WIN! If you know of a HOT attorney, please ask him/her to email our attorney, Rob Stientjes. PLEASE do not send any info directly to our attorney, he bills us by the hour ! If you have a referral, info or support, please email it to Legal@LibertyDollar.org. Thanks!

Another great way to help is simply order some Liberty Dollars! You get more gold, silver and copper while the market is still in its current consolidation low price range and you add to your stash of "inflation proof" currency. Trust me, every order helps! Click HERE for the Shopping Cart.

Special thanks to the special people who choose to make a cash donation to the Liberty Dollar. It is good people like you who are the reason why the Liberty Dollar is still in business. Just as I have put all my money into this effort to return America to value, I gratefully acknowledge an outright donation to be very very special. THANK YOU!

Now, if you want to do more and get your money back and maybe even make 50%, check out the Contingency Club. Just click HERE for info or click HERE to make a contribution.

ARREST DOLLARS: Meanwhile, we are down to our last few Arrest Dollars and the price is now $50! This the one that is specially hand hallmarked by me with a micro "handcuffs" stamp and my federally registered mintmark. Issued only from the day of the raid to the day of my arrest, June 4, 2009. The last few 2009 Arrest Dollars are currently on the Shopping Cart for $50 each. After these are gone, they are gone to eBay for much more money.

GOOD NEWS / BAD NEWS for the Tea Party Dollar Orders: The good news is that the initial order, placed during the 24 HOUR blitz, is due to arrive shortly and we are very hopeful that they will be shipped in time for the Fourth of July events. The bad news is that the dies broke after minting 48,000 T-Dollars. So we will ship 60% of your order as soon as the T-Dollars arrive. The bad news is that unfortunately, there is a backlog for dies Made in USA, so counting time to make the new dies, shipping time to and from China, the balance of all orders, including orders placed during the 24 HOUR blitz, will not arrive until the first part of September. I will post the ETA as soon as it is available. My apologies for this delay. Cracked dies do not happen very often but when they do, it is always a disaster. Again, my apologies.

PS: We still have a few Tea Party Dollars, and while nobody likes to wait, if you don't order now, you will certainly miss out on one of the most talked about issues in the history of the Liberty Dollar! Depending on the legal issues... the T-Dollar may be our last issue... it is certainly history in the making. Get some today. Click HERE to order.

ARTICLES: Have you seen the articles? While not as many as when we were raided, as bad news always sells the best, there has been quite a few articles, even a good one from Lew Rockwell, http://www.mises.org, who branded us the "Liberty Dollar Four." Here are the top five articles. Please click HERE for the articles page.

Head of Asheville Liberty Dollar operation arrested, faces 45 years in prison

FBI cracks down on people using their own money

FBI's Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending June 5, 2009

Asheville man charged in alleged Liberty Dollar fraud scheme

Liberty Dollars never took off as currency

UPDATE ON 30DMA: Have you been tracking the 30 day moving average for silver? As silver has consolidated its price in the $15 to $16 range, the 30DMA has advanced and is now a very solid $14.26. Please note that as the Liberty Dollar had previously Moved Up to the $50 Silver Base, once the 30DMA reaches $16 again, the Liberty Dollar will Move Up to the $50 Silver Base. Look out! Silver is headed to the moon. Please take advantage of this current low low price range and get some today!

Now is the time for action! Please! Buy, spend, use... do something!!!

Many thanks for your continued support. For it is only by banding together and adopting a free and independent currency that provides us with "just weights and measures" will we be able to throw off the yoke of a manipulated monetary/tax system and generate a peaceful and prosperous society.

Thanks for all your efforts to return America to value - one Liberty Dollar at a time!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect/Editor
Editor@LibertyDollar.org
www.LibertyDollar.org
888.LIB.DOLLAR
888.421.6181