Russell Arrested 3/17/08

[RussellsEx]

Well, a I understand it, the goal is to apply pressure to the criminal, by making them sign financial statements, etc. ensuring that their failure to pay will no longer continue. The jailtime itself serves very little purpose....but as I have said all along, Russell could have avoided jailtime. He knew it was coming, and chose not to. Sounds like a person who rather likes prison...If I was you, I would not waste one precious dime trying to 'Free Russell'. If he wanted to be free, he would be.

[Lex]

Well, a I understand it, the goal is to apply pressure to the criminal, by making them sign financial statements, etc. ensuring that their failure to pay will no longer continue. The jailtime itself serves very little purpose....but as I have said all along, Russell could have avoided jailtime. He knew it was coming, and chose not to. Sounds like a person who rather likes prison...If I was you, I would not waste one precious dime trying to 'Free Russell'. If he wanted to be free, he would be.

To some degree he is free in his mind. But we want him to be free physically too because we benefit from his company and his activism.

[Tom Ploszaj]

(Tongue in cheeK) I wish I knew about Libertarian principals

Principles. 

There aren't too many Libertarian principals, running schools around the country.  Might be a few... but not many for sure.   

That mispelling is one of my pet peeves, btw. 

ouch   my grammar  is a good as my spelling, oopss that's not a misspelling error is it?  LOL  good to have a smile in this thread     

[Raineyrocks]

My son's girlfriend is pregnant right now and I feel that my son has an obligation to help raise the child monetarily and personally.

Your son's girlfriend can abort, can give birth and the put the child up for adoption, raise the child on her own, or raise the child with another man.  If she chooses to, she can give birth, change her mind about raising the child, and leave it at the police or fire station.  Your son has no right to decide any of these matters.

Many paths are open for her.

Your son has only one path: TO PAY.

Why should men and women not have the same rights?

If he were my son, I'd have him on the first flight out of the country that wasn't going to any of the following places:

• Australia
• Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Branswick, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nova Scotia, or Ontario
• Czech Republic
• Ireland
• Netherlands
• Norway
• Poland
• Portugal
• Slovak Republic

Each of the preceding places have reciprocal agreements with the United States to extradite those fleeing child support decrees.  There are many places NOT on that list that one could live comfortable, and have a productive life: Quebec, France, Hong Kong, Singapore, Germany, Brazil, etc.

More info here: Public Notice in the Federal Register (Vol. 65, Number 98, Page 31953)

I'm not totally sure that I understand what your trying to say here, is it that you think my son should leave his girlfriend because she's pregnant with his baby?  Why would he want to?  He wants to be part of the baby's life, he's the baby's father.  It may sound odd to you but there are actually males in this world that enjoy being parents.  His girlfriend didn't get pregnant by herself why are all of those choices just hers?

My son has much more paths to choose from than the one you presented here so your are wrong.  His girlfriend does have choices also but I think it's nice that they are making them together.  What in the world do you mean when you write, "Why should men and women not have the same rights?"  What rights are missing?  So in other words both parents have the right to bring a human being into the world and "dumping them"?  That's gross!

I think it's great that I don't need to tell my son, my feelings on his obligations and that he is smart enough at 19 to figure them out on his own.  I don't know how old you are but you don't seem as mature as my 19 year old.
To be honest the feeling I'm getting from certain posts being made here are being made by bitter and ignorant people that are not taking into consideration that it takes 2 people to bring a baby into this world and the kids should be the most important issue or who else do they have? My observation from your post would be that you will have a stupid, immature comment to the last question I asked.

Unbelievable, I'm grossed out by your disregard toward pregnant females and your statement that my son has only 1 choice to split, right?  Isn't that what your saying? 

The choices for a pregnant woman that's on her own are not as easy as make them out to be, (your comments on her choices), just putting your baby at a police station or firehouse, abortion, etc.  Why do you show such disdain for human life?  Regarding your comment about men and woman not having the same choices again is wrong except when it comes to abortion. A baby's father could do almost all of the mean optional things you've written too, if you haven't noticed in the past decade or so courts are starting to take a father's rights in parenting more seriously than they used to.  I did not say in every case but I knew this guy and his wife was pregnant, he wanted the baby so bad but she did not so she had the right to an abortion.  That baby was half of him, 23 chromosomes of his DNA and there wasn't a damn thing he could do about it back then.  Do you think that was fair to him?  If she were so against having his child why then was she not on the birth control pill, which I know for a fact she wasn't.  She acted like it was fine to start a family with her husband until she actually ended up pregnant.  I just honestly don't get where your coming from with your post but it sounds cruel.

[Raineyrocks]

I agree; this group IS losing credibility.  I feel I must respond, even if it costs me some friends.

+1 to Sandy, for speaking the truth as she (and I, too) see it... anyone who is 'cost' as a friend as a result of speaking your truth wasn't really a friend in the first place...

Ditto!      Very much respect goes your way Friday or Sandy, I'm hoping your 1 in the same!

[coffeeseven]

I'm going to wait for the rebuttal if Russell cares to tell it. There's more than one side to every story. Some stories are more like Bucky Balls. 

[Raineyrocks]

I believe that an able-bodied adult has a moral obligation to his/her children that he/she voluntarily brought into existence and/or adopted.

I don't think Russell disagrees.  He was forcibly separated from his children.  He has offered to raise them.

Was he forcibly removed?  I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know.  Again what if his ex didn't want to let her children go with Russell completely?   I can sit here and think gee his offer was nice but if Rick offered to raise our children I would say, "how about we raise them together even though we're no longer married."

[Raineyrocks]

I'm going to wait for the rebuttal if Russell cares to tell it. There's more than one side to every story. Some stories are more like Bucky Balls. 

Very true and it seems like a lot of people are making claims without knowing all of the facts, if Russell or his ex feel like sharing; which of course they have the right to say, this is a private matter.   Maybe I was wrong for even stepping in here but I did say that I don't know the story just what I'm reading and went from there with my own feelings on the matter.

I just feel some absurd comments were made regarding responsibility and children, anytime I read or hear of a situation like this I'm always wondering how the kids feel, they are the true innocence in any situation like this.

[RussellsEx]

I do not know the facts yet about the money owed vs time spent in prison. It is my rudimentary understanding that it just doesn't work that way. I guess we'll see...I am not heartless. If Russell was to spend ten years in prison, I would have a problem with that.

[malcolm]

Your son's girlfriend can abort, can give birth and the put the child up for adoption, raise the child on her own, or raise the child with another man.  If she chooses to, she can give birth, change her mind about raising the child, and leave it at the police or fire station.  Your son has no right to decide any of these matters.

Many paths are open for her.

Your son has only one path: TO PAY.

Why should men and women not have the same rights?

If he were my son, I'd have him on the first flight out of the country that wasn't going to any of the following places:

• Australia
• Canadian provinces of Alberta, British Columbia, Manitoba, New Branswick, Newfoundland/Labrador, Nova Scotia, or Ontario
• Czech Republic
• Ireland
• Netherlands
• Norway
• Poland
• Portugal
• Slovak Republic

Each of the preceding places have reciprocal agreements with the United States to extradite those fleeing child support decrees.  There are many places NOT on that list that one could live comfortable, and have a productive life: Quebec, France, Hong Kong, Singapore, Germany, Brazil, etc.

More info here: Public Notice in the Federal Register (Vol. 65, Number 98, Page 31953)

I'm not totally sure that I understand what your trying to say here, is it that you think my son should leave his girlfriend because she's pregnant with his baby?  Why would he want to?  He wants to be part of the baby's life, he's the baby's father.  It may sound odd to you but there are actually males in this world that enjoy being parents.  His girlfriend didn't get pregnant by herself why are all of those choices just hers?

I'm not saying that he MUST walk away.  I'm saying he should HAVE THE RIGHT to do so; just like his girlfriend does.

My son has much more paths to choose from than the one you presented here so your are wrong.  His girlfriend does have choices also but I think it's nice that they are making them together.  What in the world do you mean when you write, "Why should men and women not have the same rights?"  What rights are missing?

What other path does your son have if his girlfriend gives birth and keeps the baby?
She makes all the choices, he get the responsibilities of her choices, but can make no decision of his own to direct his own future.  How can you not see this?  If he DECIDES that he does not want to raise a child, or pay for the raising of that child, how would he enforce this decision.  His girlfriend can drop the baby at any police station.  What can he do?  The issue isn't what you think is "nice", but what (objectively) his rights and choices are.

So in other words both parents have the right to bring a human being into the world and "dumping them"?  That's gross!

Women have that right.  Men do not.  That's not an opinion, it's a fact.

I think it's great that I don't need to tell my son, my feelings on his obligations and that he is smart enough at 19 to figure them out on his own.  I don't know how old you are but you don't seem as mature as my 19 year old.

Your son is about to condemn himself to a life of poverty.  At 19 years old, with no secondary education, and a new baby and girlfriend, that's the life he'll have.  Your son would be fortunate to have REAL OPTIONS in life, not have his life dictated to him by a woman.

I'll leave you crack at my alleged immaturity alone.  You don't know what you are talking about there.

To be honest the feeling I'm getting from certain posts being made here are being made by bitter and ignorant people that are not taking into consideration that it takes 2 people to bring a baby into this world and the kids should be the most important issue or who else do they have? My observation from your post would be that you will have a stupid, immature comment to the last question I asked.

Unbelievable, I'm grossed out by your disregard toward pregnant females and your statement that my son has only 1 choice to split, right?  Isn't that what your saying?

Shaming language already?  Come on, raineyrocks, you can do better than that!  Shaming language is not an argument.  Don't give up that easily.  Give me a real argument why women should have more rights than men.  At least try.

[SethCohn]

You can take your vile communitarian, communistic, socialistic views about the invalidity of self-ownership and self-determination... [blah blah blah and onward in the same vein....]

Jim, you can take your kneejerk diatribes and insults, print them out, and shove them deep enough into your mouth/throat/etc until your fingers stop typing them.  It's folks like you that are part of the problem, not part of the solution... you do no good to anyone else by posting them, so STFU.

[srqrebel]

You can take your vile communitarian, communistic, socialistic views about the invalidity of self-ownership and self-determination... [blah blah blah and onward in the same vein....]

Jim, you can take your kneejerk diatribes and insults, print them out, and shove them deep enough into your mouth/throat/etc until your fingers stop typing them.  It's folks like you that are part of the problem, not part of the solution... you do no good to anyone else by posting them, so STFU.

A little taste of his own medicine?

I've already put him on ignore

P.S.-  Is he related to MaineShark?

[Lex]

A little Ayn Rand never hurt anyone. Except maybe some socialists. Thanks for your posts planetaryjim.

[SethCohn]

A little Ayn Rand never hurt anyone.

Picturing a mini-me version of Ayn Rand going around chainsmoking and biting people on the kneecaps....

A lot of Ayn Rand is a bad thing... she needed a good editor to trim down her diatribes too...  Talk about long winded to the point of hurting her own arguments.

[malcolm]

A little Ayn Rand never hurt anyone. Except maybe some socialists. Thanks for your posts planetaryjim.

Yup.  I agree.  That is all.