The Omnivore's Delimma - Can't get it out of my head

[Lex]

Thank you very much loa.  I look upon it as planting seeds.  You never know where they will and will not grow.  However, I believe that this forum offers the best soil I've experienced in quite some time. 

The seed of communism and socialism has been planted long ago and it's about time the evil thing died.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Thank you very much loa.  I look upon it as planting seeds.  You never know where they will and will not grow.  However, I believe that this forum offers the best soil I've experienced in quite some time. 

A lot of it would probably grow great mushrooms

[Raineyrocks]

Thank you very much loa.  I look upon it as planting seeds.  You never know where they will and will not grow.  However, I believe that this forum offers the best soil I've experienced in quite some time. 

The seed of communism and socialism has been planted long ago and it's about time the evil thing died.

[JohninRI]

Lex - "The seed of communism and socialism has been planted long ago and it's about time the evil thing died."

The difference in what I propose being...

JohninRI - "When society can give up the concept of money and do because we enjoy doing, we will have a utopia.  Of course, we will also have to adopt the Messiah's teaching of holding all things in common."

Traditional socialism and communism will always fail because money corrupts; and no one - except the Messiah - has ever advocated doing it without money.

Mankind may not be ready for it yet, but someday I know in my heart we will.

[Caleb]

I think that forming small intentional communities which live in (some degree of) harmony with nature is the best way to spread a new paradigm of peace on this planet.

I agree with you 100%!

The problem, as with most things, is finding the money to do stuff like this. Land isn't cheap, ya know. And even once you own it, you gotta keep paying the rent money to the state, or else they come take it from you, and your community becomes homeless.

That's actually the next phase of my life. Right now I'm in the "saving money to buy land" phase. Then comes the "deciding where to buy land" phase, followed by the "figure out a way to structure it so that no one is expecting me to pay property taxes" phase, finally ending up in the "liberating the land and inviting anybody who wants to come work the land on it" phase 

[John Edward Mercier]

a natural 'planned' community?
Around here, people just buy a property (raw or developed)... and then homestead.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Lex - "The seed of communism and socialism has been planted long ago and it's about time the evil thing died."

The difference in what I propose being...

JohninRI - "When society can give up the concept of money and do because we enjoy doing, we will have a utopia.  Of course, we will also have to adopt the Messiah's teaching of holding all things in common."

Traditional socialism and communism will always fail because money corrupts; and no one - except the Messiah - has ever advocated doing it without money.

Mankind may not be ready for it yet, but someday I know in my heart we will.

Socialism and Communism fail due many things. One factor is the inequities the systems create. Another is there is no way for these systems to measure what is needed what is needed and when. The free Market does.
Probably the biggest factor is they go against Man's nature.

[Kat Kanning]

Question for the vegans on here, what do you do for vitamin B12?

I'm taking a little bee pollen every day now.  It's so tasty.

[JohninRI]

Probably the biggest factor is they go against Man's nature.

Thus, the need for Man to evolve first.

[Kat Kanning]

There might be some info about The China Study/milk on here:

http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

[Lloyd Danforth]

Probably the biggest factor is they go against Man's nature.

Thus, the need for Man to evolve first.

Yeah.............sure..........whatever.............

[Kat Kanning]

There are a bunch of videos about the China Study


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-847196066367535747

[JohninRI]

I think that forming small intentional communities which live in (some degree of) harmony with nature is the best way to spread a new paradigm of peace on this planet.

I agree with you 100%!

The problem, as with most things, is finding the money to do stuff like this. Land isn't cheap, ya know. And even once you own it, you gotta keep paying the rent money to the state, or else they come take it from you, and your community becomes homeless.

That's actually the next phase of my life. Right now I'm in the "saving money to buy land" phase. Then comes the "deciding where to buy land" phase, followed by the "figure out a way to structure it so that no one is expecting me to pay property taxes" phase, finally ending up in the "liberating the land and inviting anybody who wants to come work the land on it" phase 

Consider starting out raising money enough to purchase the land and put a few metal buildings along the road.  Then establish a grocerie store, restaurant, and a hardware store in the metal buildings.  This would allow you to meet your tax burdens while you establish your community in the back of the land.  Metal buildings are inexpensive and go up rather quickly.  The businesses would be invaluable to the participants who could focus the majority of their efforts on building the community.

[John Edward Mercier]

Be smarter just to buy land in an area of low property tax, and use the Current Use agricultural discount to pay nearly nothing.

[Lex]

I'm presently reading Pollans other book In Defense of Food. AMAZING! Although maybe I find it amazing because I believed the same thing before I picked up the book.

He essentially argues that nutrition (including all those vitamin pills some of you take) is witchcraft! 

Nutritional science is still in its infancy and most scientists are left to 'reductionist science' meaning that the best they can do is reduce the carrot down to its basic elements and study those (usually in isolation) and then proclaim that one or a couple of those elements is the reason carrots are so great for us. Then they take those nutrients and stuff them in milk or processed veggie bergers, etc and then say that it's healthy food.

The biggest red flag, that everyone seems to miss, is the fact that nutritional recommendations change all the time. Last time I checked it takes more than a few generations for evolution to occur, not a year or a few months, so the nutritional requirements aren't changing because people are changing. What is really happening is that as scientists learn more about nutrition they modify their recommendation. In the book he goes in depth about the history of nutritional science, very fascinating.

The moral of the book (and I haven't finished it yet) is to eat "food" not "nutrition". Eat what makes your body feel good, eat food that is natural, organic, etc. Don't eat too much meat.

One thing I'm coming away from so far is that you should not believe any nutritional advice until it has been at least 10 years or more since it was first introduced and plenty of people have had time to either die/get sick of it or actually feel better. That way you are not the guinea pig. Even then, it is just a distraction.

Pollans main eating advice is to just eat whatever your great grandparents ate. Becase diet hasn't been an issue in the last thousands of years up until in the last century when scientists started looking into the matter.