Government's plan to claim ownership of every newborn's DNA

[Caleb]

As a side note, and maybe a tiny peace offering to Ryan,  I actually happen to agree with him on Alex Jones. Alex does some great reporting at times, and I was intitially impressed. Until one day he made a sucker of me, and I went off linking to his piece and trying to explain it to others, it was a bombshell as far as I was concerned. It had to do with an army guy who testified to certain things that the army had done. Come to find out, the documents had been forged, and I felt like I had egg on my face, and I won't trust anything Alex Jones says from that time on. He's too careless. I prefer journalists who are cautious, maybe even overcautious, because I don't like to look like an intellectual fool any more than anyone else.

[ReverendRyan]

I prefer journalists who are cautious, maybe even overcautious, because I don't like to look like an intellectual fool any more than anyone else.

Couldn't agree more. The problem is more and more people with agendas are trying to posture their apologetics as journalism, and it's the height of intellectual dishonesty.

[Raineyrocks]

Okay here it is Caleb:

Science vs. God

"Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ." The
atheist professor of philosophy paused before his class and then asked one
of his new students to stand.

"You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes sir," the student answered.

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?" !

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil".

The professor grinned knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considered for
a moment.

"Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and
you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."

The student did not answer, so the professor continued. "He doesn't,
does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he
prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer
that one?"

The student remained silent.

"No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He took a sip of water
from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

"Let's start again, young fella, Is God good?"

"Er...yes," the student says.

"Is Satan good?"

The student didn't hesitate on this! one. " No."

"Then where does Satan come from?"

The student answered: "From...God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in
this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"

"Yes."

"So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created
everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the
principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continued: "Is
there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do
they exist in this world?"

The student answered: "Yes."

"So who created them?"

The student did not answer again, so the professor repeated his
question. "Who created them? There was still no answer. Suddenly the
lecturer broke away to pace in front of the classroom. The class was
mesmerized.

"Tell me," he continued onto another student. "Do you believe in
Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice was confident: "Yes, professor, I do."

The old man stoped pacing. "Science says you have five senses that
you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen
Jesus?"

"No sir. I've never seen Him"

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir, I have not."

"Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelled
your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God
for that matter?"

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"Yes."

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that,
son?"

"Nothing," the student replied. "I only have my faith."

"Yes, faith," the professor repeated. "And that is the problem
science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."

The student stood quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
his own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

The professor turned to face the student, obviously interested. The
room suddenly became very quiet. The student began to explain.

"You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,
unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have
anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no
heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise
we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees.
Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is
only a word we use to describe the absence of heat.
We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because
heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of
it."

There was silence across the room. A pen dropped somewhere in the
classroom and sounded like a hammer.

"What about darkness, professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes," the professor replied without hesitation. "What is night if it
isn't darkness?"

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the
absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and
it's called darkness, isn't it?
That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If
it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?" The
professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. "So what point
are you making, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."

The professor's face could not hide his surprise this time. "Flawed?
Can you explain how?"

"You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains.
"You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad
God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we
can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.
It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less
fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death
is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."

"Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
yes, of course I do"

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor began to shake his head, still smiling, as he realized
where the argument was going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

The class was in uproar. The student remained silent until the
commotion had subsided.

"To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
let me give you an example of what I mean."

The student looked around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who
has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class broke out into laughter.

"Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
the professor's brain, touched or smelled the professor's brain? No one
appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of
empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due
respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?"

Now the room was silent. The professor just stared at the student,
his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, the old man answered. "I
guess you'll have to take them on faith."

"Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
life," the student continued. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?"

Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, there is. We see
it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in
the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
manifestations are nothing else but evil."

To this the student replied, "Evil! does not exist sir, or at least
it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just
like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence
of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man
does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that
results when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no
light."

The professor sat down.
__________________
Nothing real can be threatened, Nothing unreal exists, Herein lies the peace of God.
A Course In Miracles

[Caleb]

 

[kola]

I liked your last post Caleb. It pretty much nails it.

It is funny as these types of folks all regurgitate the same things over and over again yet they do not see how silly they look. It is almost robotic and "dead" because there is no real spirit-energy or life in them. For some reason they are bound up with hatred and anger. So yeah its sad.

I also find they suck the positive energy out of me and I choose not be "play". It is easier to let them think they win...whatever odd pleasure they get from "winning."

Kola

[Caleb]

Ryan doesn't seem angry to me. Joe does. But not Ryan. Ryan seems cocky, not angry. But cocky I can live with, it's a flaw I have too. 

[Raineyrocks]

As a side note, and maybe a tiny peace offering to Ryan,  I actually happen to agree with him on Alex Jones. Alex does some great reporting at times, and I was intitially impressed. Until one day he made a sucker of me, and I went off linking to his piece and trying to explain it to others, it was a bombshell as far as I was concerned. It had to do with an army guy who testified to certain things that the army had done. Come to find out, the documents had been forged, and I felt like I had egg on my face, and I won't trust anything Alex Jones says from that time on. He's too careless. I prefer journalists who are cautious, maybe even overcautious, because I don't like to look like an intellectual fool any more than anyone else.

That's pretty bad especially for how many people listen to him, he is going to or has already ruined some of his credibility. Recently I've been looking up some things on his website and they are credible.  Today I was listening to him and this guy called in and must have really ticked Alex off with something he said and, (pardon my french), Alex said fuck you to the guy 2 or 3 times.  I think that may hurt his audience to a degree.  I know my kids were home and came running in to me because they were shocked that Alex talked like that.

I personally think he puts more good, credible information out than bad and he has made a lot of people aware of the govts. flaws, to put it nicely.   The problem I have is whenever someone calls in with solutions he cuts them short and does more fear mongering than productivity.   

[kola]

Rainey said:I personally think he puts more good, credible information out than bad and he has made a lot of people aware of the govts. flaws, to put it nicely.

I agree with ya Raindancer.

Alex a a bigtime shit stirrer and hyperactive but he rarely puts on wrong info and even when he does (IMO) its not on purpose.

Quite frankly I am surprised the feds havent snuffed him out.

kola

[Ron Helwig]

There's a bunch of errors in this quoted article. For one thing, it doesn't define "good" and "evil".

I'll try pointing out a few more.

"According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable
protocol, science says your God doesn't exist.

No, science merely says that the existence of God cannot be proven. It is an important distinction.

"And is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No sir, there isn't."

This is a good point, and a careful observer/reader would take this as a hint that the professor is going to be made out as not so smart. (That is, the article author is putting his anti-science bias into making the professor look dumb.)

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor began to shake his head, still smiling, as he realized
where the argument was going. A very good semester, indeed.

"Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not
teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?"

Perhaps the professor hasn't seen evolution with his own eyes, but that doesn't mean that no one has. People have seen evolution with their own eyes. One example is where some guy in Russia was using selective breeding to breed foxes that were friendly to humans.

There's also the unmentioned point that knowledge can come from others. It can be believed if it is credible. Science can be viewed as merely a way to make non-self-observed knowledge credible. Faith (the kind that is required to believe in supernatural stuff) is a short-cut that doesn't have any credibility. IIRC, Ayn Rand called it a "cheat".

Alex Jones may be right on some or even a lot of stuff, but he doesn't have much credibility.

We each have different levels of what we accept as "enough credibility".

Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, the old man answered. "I
guess you'll have to take them on faith."

The "faith" that the professor is referencing is a different definition of the word faith than is used when referencing supernatural unprovable phenomena.

[Raineyrocks]

Rainey said:I personally think he puts more good, credible information out than bad and he has made a lot of people aware of the govts. flaws, to put it nicely.

I agree with ya Raindancer.

Alex a a bigtime shit stirrer and hyperactive but he rarely puts on wrong info and even when he does (IMO) its not on purpose.

Quite frankly I am surprised the feds havent snuffed him out.

kola

Raindancer, is that my new name?   I'm surprised too about the feds, that is.  I was just sitting here wondering why, what if somehow he really is a distraction from something else even bigger we should be seeing?  I don't know but it was one of my thoughts today.

He said F you 3 times on his show a couple of days ago to this guy that called in, now I don't care I love the word but I can see that stuff lessening  his listening audience.  I'd be really surprised if he was a distraction though, in my gut he seems to be for real, maybe they're just waiting until martial law to get him.