Updates on 2 homeschool bills ammendments

[Luke S]

And my own take on what LukeS said... The terrorcrats have no legitimate authority to interfere with parents' private business in the education and raising of their children.

Which is in fact exactly what I said.

People like Lauren Canario, who stood against the evils of imminent domain and violations of the constitution

Lol, "imminent domain", that's exactly what it is. If they see your land and they want it, they "imminently" make it their "domain". Makes me sick.

Until we were informed basically that our "reservations on the cattle cars were already made". That was enough for me.

Speak out too much and then when you get a visit in the evening by some thugs dressed in suits in a black crown vic telling you that you're "on the radar"... see how "foul-weather" you're willing to be.

Wait a minute, cops pulled up at your house in a black crown victoria 20 years ago and told you that if you didn't stop speaking out against the gubermint, they'd take you away?

[NJLiberty]

Yeah, these homeschooling bills are really ridiculous. I knew two people who were homeschooled in Michigan, a boy and a girl. I don't know what happened to the boy, I lost touch with him after awhile, but he was quite the fine, upstanding, educated young gentleman while I knew him. I do know that the girl grew up to be an upstanding psychology grad student, wife, and mother. She is 24 right now but has the maturity of a 40 year old in my opinion. Homeschooling gave both of them an additional edge even over those who had attended private schools, in my opinion. Now I'm not saying it would work that way for everyone, and I'm not calling it a one size fits all solution. But there is no doubt in my mind that the mafia definitely needs to butt out of parents' private business in raising and schooling their children.

The first family of homeschoolers I met was originally from Indiana. The oldest son was already in college when I met them. The younger son was in the local high school and their daughter was still at home. The mom, who did the bulk of the schooling, didn't feel up to teaching high school math, and was worried about colleges not accepting her kids if they didn't come out of a public high school. This was in the early 90s when homeschooling was almost unheard of, at least in NJ, and the colleges weren't as accepting as they are today. As I came to know the kids better I realized they were all exceptionally well educated, well read, well spoken, and far more mature than their peers.

I had been tutoring high school and college math for some time before that, so when her son needed to take an extra course in order to get into AP Calculus as a senior his mom asked me if I would teach it to him. The school was agreeable to this in part because I had been the darling of the math department when I was in high school, and in part because my family had lived in the town for over 70 years and had an impeccable reputation in town. And so it was that I was given two months to teach this young man a course that the school taught in ten. If he passed the regular final exam then he could enter Calculus, otherwise he would be relegated to pre-calc for the year. Suffice it to say that he aced the final, and did well enough to gain entrance to M.I.T. which is a credit to his intelligence and work ethic more so than my teaching ability But that was when I realized that you didn't have to be a teacher to teach.

I spent a lot of time talking to his mom about education, and her approach to teaching at home, and a lot of time with some of my former teachers, and found that the older ones, while they shared the same ideas about what constituted a proper education, they all felt that they were no longer able to provide that education to the kids. There was too much interference from the gov't, and worse in their opinion, there were too many educators who viewed children as a captive audience on which to test their latest pet theories about education. Nearly all of my teachers, including my uncle and cousin, retired early rather than participate in these programs.

My tutoring assignments changed over the years. Instead of being hired for a couple weeks because a child was having trouble with one specific area in math, I was increasingly being hired for months at a time, or an entire school year, because the child had no clue what was going on in the class. These were predominantly children who had always gotten A's before, and now were failing. It didn't take long to discover the root of the problem. The system had broken down. The educators were busy implementing "New New Math," which in my opinion is an abomination. The kids were no longer given a thorough education in arithmetic so when they reached mathematics they were lost, unless of course their calculator could solve their problem for them. But it wasn't just math that had changed of course, other courses of study were altered and watered down as well. New standards were issued, and with each one the bar was lowered. And with each change I was more determined not to put my daughter's education into their hands.

I am fortunate that I live here in NJ as far as that goes. The gov't has no say in what I do here. That has allowed me the freedom to explore what kind of education I want for my daughter, without the pressure of wondering whether the gov't would approve or not. I think if I had been in NH when this all started I would have been more hesitant to start homeschooling simply because of the gov't requirements, and the inevitable invitation into my private life those requirements entail. It is one of the things I don't look forward to in NH. But that can be changed, and will I suspect as time goes on.

I'm very comfortable here in NJ and if I were more willing to overlook certain things, I could easily spend the rest of my life here. My family has lived within 30 miles of where I now sit for more than 350 years. I can go a few miles down the road and be at the house my 4th great-grandfather owned, the farm my family worked for over 150 years, and all the houses where my family has lived and died, celebrated and mourned, through the generations. I myself have never lived (aside from school) more than 7 miles from where I was born. Just leaving this place is a very difficult thing for me because I have such ties to the land, but if I am to give my daughter a chance at a better life than I have had, leave I must. I'm going to NH because I think that state offers the last best chance to give my daughter a better life. And if that means I have to deal with some laws and regulations I don't care for, so be it.

I'm not worried about the gov't finding me. If the gov't wants me they'll find me whether I am here in NJ, up in NH, or in the South Pacific. There is no place to run anymore. And if that means I get taken out eventually so be it. I would rather die a free man than live as a slave. We're in the situation we are in because too many generations of Americans weren't willing to draw the line in the sand and stand their ground. If they drew the line at all they just redrew it when the gov't stepped over it. We are at the brink of the precipice. We have no more ground to give. I don't see as there is any choice but to make a stand here and now. I certainly don't want this fight. I would love to just take care of my gardens, raise a few chickens and rabbits, and peacefully leave the world to itself. But if I do that then I leave it to others to defend me and my rights and that isn't right. I cannot ask my neighbors to do something that I am unwilling to do myself. What sort of man would I be at that point?

George

[PowerPenguin]

Has NHLA or LSF considered creating some kind of DownsizeDC-like system for action on these issues? One would think that it would have an impact if successfully promoted to enough of the NH population...

[Luke S]

George,

One thing that your story about you tutoring that boy so that he could pass the exam to enter into AP Calc reminded me of that I forgot to say before was that when I was about to enter into high school, it was required by my new high school that I learn one last section of the Algebra I course that my teacher at my old school did not have enough time to teach in the regular schoolyear, in order for me to enter into Accelerated Geometry in 9th Grade, and that I would be tested on it as well as the rest of Algebra I upon entry into the new school for placement into Accelerated Geometry. So what had to happen is my dad had to teach it to me over the summer, before I arrived at high school, so that I would be prepared . So I guess you can say I was "homeschooled" for one section of one math course. Anyway, I thought my dad did an excellent job, and probably an even better job than they did at that expensive private school. (Of course, he probably would have run into trouble if he had tried to teach the other subjects, since he was and is primarily a math guy, but I suppose that's what private tutors are for.)

To be frank, George, as a person who is about to receive my bachelor's degree in Math after 4 years of hard work, I don't even want to know what "New New Math" is. A lot of modern educators like to use "expreimental education" instead of tried-and-true methods, and it's driving education in this country down the toilet.

And the public school system -- even worse. It has been a worse and worse failure every year. And that we the taxpayers are required to finance this abominable failure that fails to teach kids much of anything is simply beyond me.

No legislature should have the power to tell parents what to do with regard to their kids' schooling. Meaning that they have no right to proscribe homeschooling outright, like they did in California, and they have no right to set up a "curriculum requirement" like they are trying to do right now in New Hampshire, or to tie homeschoolers up with gov't red tape in any other way, shape, or form.

They might have good intentions, but good intentions are not good enough. As that one NH State Rep said in the Dave Ridley interview (I forget her name), "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." I wholehartedly agree. Gov'ts like the gov't in Concord need to stop trying to fix what "ain't broke", which is homeschooling, and move on to fixing what clearly is broke, namely the public school system. In fact, when they do that, they'll hopefully realize that it is broke so bad that the only way to fix it is to get rid of it entirely and stop making the taxpayers pay for a broken system.

[NJLiberty]

To be frank, George, as a person who is about to receive my bachelor's degree in Math after 4 years of hard work, I don't even want to know what "New New Math" is. A lot of modern educators like to use "expreimental education" instead of tried-and-true methods, and it's driving education in this country down the toilet.

Gee, I thought I was the only crazy person who majored in math 

If you took most of the arithmetic out of arithmetic, and substituted it with feel good activities, and then made it unimportant if you necessarily arrived at the  right answer, then you would have "New New Math." It is an abomination. They have lowered the standards so much to hide the fact that kids aren't getting an education that it is scary. Now if you want to round up the "educrats" and send them to your wall factories, that I might be in favor of 

George

[FreelanceFreedomFighter]

Wait a minute, cops pulled up at your house in a black crown victoria 20 years ago and told you that if you didn't stop speaking out against the gubermint, they'd take you away?

basically... Big black sedan, four guys in dark suits, don't know if they were "cops", but they said they were with the gubermint. If we didn't "tone things down", they could make us disappear. We could be charged with "insurrection". I didn't get into the whole "free speech" and "right to criticize the gubernmint" stuff. We actually commented on the next show about it. Callers were very quick to say we were either making it up or that it was a hoax or joke or something. We got the whole "nutjob conspiracy" label. At the end of that show, those of us involved sat down and discussed it for awhile and then gave 2 weeks notice that we were cancelling the show. The station filled the slot with one of the MSM conservative pundits on reruns. I realized that the MSM pundits (on both sides) are only giving the people the illusion of informing them of what's really going on. Folks on the right have their conspiracies, folks on the left have theirs. But all the while "We, the People" are having our lives, liberties, freedoms, rights, fortunes, and sacred honor stolen openly by the politicians. They have the power on every level and they don't need to hide from the people. The people are too busy either with the snooze magazine hollywierd stories on the toob OR busy with every conspiracy theory that can be used to misdirect them.

[Luke S]

Wait a minute, cops pulled up at your house in a black crown victoria 20 years ago and told you that if you didn't stop speaking out against the gubermint, they'd take you away?

basically... Big black sedan, four guys in dark suits, don't know if they were "cops", but they said they were with the gubermint. If we didn't "tone things down", they could make us disappear. We could be charged with "insurrection". I didn't get into the whole "free speech" and "right to criticize the gubernmint" stuff. We actually commented on the next show about it. Callers were very quick to say we were either making it up or that it was a hoax or joke or something. We got the whole "nutjob conspiracy" label. At the end of that show, those of us involved sat down and discussed it for awhile and then gave 2 weeks notice that we were cancelling the show. The station filled the slot with one of the MSM conservative pundits on reruns. I realized that the MSM pundits (on both sides) are only giving the people the illusion of informing them of what's really going on. Folks on the right have their conspiracies, folks on the left have theirs. But all the while "We, the People" are having our lives, liberties, freedoms, rights, fortunes, and sacred honor stolen openly by the politicians. They have the power on every level and they don't need to hide from the people. The people are too busy either with the snooze magazine hollywierd stories on the toob OR busy with every conspiracy theory that can be used to misdirect them.

FreelanceFreedomFighter,

This might sound callous to your libertarian ears, but yes, there is a such crime as insurrection

The reason why insurrection is illegal is because the success of the United States as a country is contingent upon everything within the United States running smoothly. Not every country runs smoothly. I have been to countries in Europe where when an auto accident happens, there is nothing but a standstill, and the police and medical people do absolutely nothing to get the situation running smoothly again. And the people just sit there and go to sleep.

Now in the USA what happens is that they rush to set up a detour, and they rush to solve the accident situation, and things get running smoothly again.

What insurrectionists do is they create havoc and disarray, just like a car accident does. If not directly, then indirectly. And things can't run smoothly when there is havoc and disarray. And when police do nothing about insurrectionists, it's like doing nothing about a car accident. It creates a situation in which there are compound problems, and the longer you let it go, the bigger the problem becomes. In fact, the Civil War is a prime example of what happens when you do nothing about insurrection and you just let it grow and grow and grow.

Luckily here in the USA, we've learned our lesson from the Civil War and police do do things about insurrectionists, just like they do things about car accidents. Namely, they stop insurrectionists from operating, and they get things running smoothly again, rather than letting it become a bigger and bigger problem which finally explodes.

However,

As for you personally, Freelance Freedom Fighter, having a "get out the truth" radio show, as long as it contained only truth, and not made-up lies, or messages telling your listeners to act in a subversive manner, or to break the law, is not insurrection.

An accusation of insurrection is an accusation of a very serious crime, so if what you say is true, then I have a big problem with police going around telling people that they are insurrectionists when the police knew, or should know, that the people were not insurrectionists. It's almost like the police telling somebody that they committed a robbery when they know perfectly well that the person did not commit that robbery. In other words, I think that the police who do that sort of thing are the criminals, not the so-called "insurrectionists".

I really do think the law would have been on your side in that instance, if you had selected to keep doing your radio show. I'm certain now in today's YouTube age, you could certainly have your radio show again and not have to worry about anybody in a black sedan taking you away.

[FreelanceFreedomFighter]

This might sound callous to your libertarian ears, but yes, there is a such crime as insurrection

According to Websters, insurrection is: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

So, even Dave Ridley's "Outlaw Puppeteer" shows are insurrection!

Only a gubermint that is afraid of the people feels the need to control and suppress them.

The reason why insurrection is illegal is because the success of the United States as a country is contingent upon everything within the United States running smoothly. Not every country runs smoothly.
{snip for brevity}

What insurrectionists do is they create havoc and disarray, just like a car accident does. If not directly, then indirectly. And things can't run smoothly when there is havoc and disarray. And when police do nothing about insurrectionists, it's like doing nothing about a car accident. It creates a situation in which there are compound problems, and the longer you let it go, the bigger the problem becomes.

So, basically, you're saying that you support Lauren being jailed, for standing up against the State's oppression... or Dave, for "creating havoc and disarray" for his open crimes... and most assuredly the Browns, who had the audacity to demand to see the arbitrary law that the State was prosecuting them with. In their own ways, they each "created havoc and disarray" against the State.

Regardless, the original Sedition Act of 1798 was found to be Unconstitutional... which led us to the Insurrection Act of 1807 that gave "We, the People" protections from the gubermint use of military force under Posse Comitatus. When this all happened to us, it was well before the (IMNSHO Unconstitutional) 2006 Amendments to the Insurrection Act of 1807, when, with the stroke of a pen, the federales proved that they could take away any rights at their whim and essentially destroyed 200 years of freedoms by fundamentally repealing Posse Comitatus.

                                                                                                   In fact, the Civil War is a prime example of what happens when you do nothing about insurrection and you just let it grow and grow and grow.

Luckily here in the USA, we've learned our lesson from the Civil War and police do do things about insurrectionists, just like they do things about car accidents. Namely, they stop insurrectionists from operating, and they get things running smoothly again, rather than letting it become a bigger and bigger problem which finally explodes.

We really shouldn't get into the history of the un-Civil War... "the War for Southern Independence", "the War of Northern Aggression"... Many folks seem content to believe their flawed public school indoctrination concerning that heinous time in history rather than the well documented facts. Suffice it to say that modern "historians" like to have it both ways regarding that conflict by saying on one hand that it was a "civil war between differing parts of the same country" and on the other hand by pointing out that the CSA States had to be "readmitted into the Union". If the CSA States had to be readmitted into the Union (as history clearly shows), then those States had successfully seceded and formed a different nation... in which case it wasn't a "civil war", but had to have been a war between two independent nations. A war which Lincoln and the USA started. Enough of that rabbit hole... 

As for you personally, Freelance Freedom Fighter, having a "get out the truth" radio show, as long as it contained only truth, and not made-up lies, or messages telling your listeners to act in a subversive manner, or to break the law, is not insurrection.

No lies... All documented acts of public officials... No telling anyone to break the laws... We did tell people to take action because their freedoms, liberties, rights and future were being openly stolen by the LegisTraitors...

An accusation of insurrection is an accusation of a very serious crime, so if what you say is true, then I have a big problem with police going around telling people that they are insurrectionists when the police knew, or should know, that the people were not insurrectionists. It's almost like the police telling somebody that they committed a robbery when they know perfectly well that the person did not commit that robbery. In other words, I think that the police who do that sort of thing are the criminals, not the so-called "insurrectionists".

Happens all the time. Ever notice how the MSM change a person's home into a "compound" and start accusing the person of all manner of evil deeds (child porn/molestation and incest come to mind... in some cases "cannibalism" becomes the evil du jour to vilify a person, people or culture). Later, there is no evidence of any of  those "alleged" crimes, but in the minds of the populace, the person is already considered "evil" and thusly convicted. I know a number of police officers personally, some who I've lost contact with over the years and I have been told about the practice of carrying a "drop gun" and I have been told about the tactics of "making certain" there is "evidence" found to insure a "conviction" and I've been told that these practices are used against anyone considered to be a "bad guy". Now, you and I might think of a true child molester scum of the earth as the "bad guy", but rest assured that there are many out there that consider members of the FSP as the "bad guys". Also, just remember the next time that someone is accused of being that "true child molester" to seriously ask yourself if that is real or if it is just a case of painting someone with that brush to vilify them in the public's eyes. While I applaud true, honest officers that put themselves in harm's way everyday and catch the true "scum of the earth" molesters, I hold no delusions that there are many cases where people are railroaded for various reasons.

I really do think the law would have been on your side in that instance, if you had selected to keep doing your radio show.

That'll read real nice on my tombstone: "He had the Law on his side"

No thanks. I've found other ways to work to keep my freedoms, liberties, rights, and future intact.

I'm certain now in today's YouTube age, you could certainly have your radio show again and not have to worry about anybody in a black sedan taking you away.

YouTube, Google Videos, Yahoo Videos, MSN Videos... have all been known to remove vids and block subscribers when told to by the "authorities". They've each had agreements with the PRC to filter content for a few years... and they've been very open to "helping" the US gubermint find out who people are under the "Patriot" act.

[Luke S]

I'm gettin' kinda tired, so unfortunately right now I only have time to go over one thing you said. I'll get to the rest in the morning.

Regardless, the original Sedition Act of 1798 was found to be Unpiece of paperal... which led us to the Insurrection Act of 1807 that gave "We, the People" protections from the gubermint use of military force under Posse Comitatus. When this all happened to us, it was well before the (IMNSHO Unpiece of paperal) 2006 Amendments to the Insurrection Act of 1807, when, with the stroke of a pen, the federales proved that they could take away any rights at their whim and essentially destroyed 200 years of freedoms by fundamentally repealing Posse Comitatus.

No, Posse Comitatus wasn't 200 years of freedoms. Posse Comitatus was 200 years of coddling criminals. What posse comitatus says is that the military can't act as police. And what that effectively does is sends the following message to all the criminals in this country: "Oh don't worry widdle criminal, we won't have an angry soldier stick a .50 cal in your face for messing up the country he helped to defend." "Oh don't worry widdle criminal, we won't send a tank to bust up your drug running operation." "Oh don't worry widdle cwiminal, we were just kidding when we said 'War on Crime', we'd never really send in the military to hunt you down."

There is so much crime nowadays that it can be reasonably be said that criminals have declared war on America. It's high time that America declare war back on them. The repeal of Posse Comitatus is the first step of the real War on Crime here in America. Not that cheap imitation War on Crime we had before, I'm talking about the real War on Crime.

[Tom Sawyer]

Luke is a Nazi shithead.

Why don't you just goosestep your way out of here. You have almost zero in common with the goals of this group.

Oh by the way Herr Luke I and the other military veterans on this forum won't "stick a .50 cal in your face for messing up the country we helped to defend".

[Lloyd Danforth]

Military veterans having defended the country sounds like a Luke S. illusion.  You must have meant intended or,  willing to defend the country

[Tom Sawyer]

I meant candy ass Luke thinks that military are the lords of us. Well that makes me his lord. 

[NJLiberty]

No, Posse Comitatus wasn't 200 years of freedoms. Posse Comitatus was 200 years of coddling criminals. What posse comitatus says is that the military can't act as police...The repeal of Posse Comitatus is the first step of the real War on Crime here in America. Not that cheap imitation War on Crime we had before, I'm talking about the real War on Crime.

Wow. I'm not even sure how to react to this one. I am going to have to agree with the others Luke...you are an advocate for everything anti-liberty. It sounds more like you are a full blown Fascist instead of a Republican, although they themselves have blurred the line a lot in the past eight years.

You seem to forget that the people who wrote the law that brought about Posse Comitatus were people who had lived through the British military occupation of the colonies. They knew what it was to live under martial law. They knew what it was to give the military the ultimate authority, and they didn't want that. That was why the military was designed to be subservient to the public, not the other way around. That was also why each state was to have its own means to protect itself through its militia, to make sure that the feds never got the upper hand. Most of the folks who founded this republic didn't want a standing army for the same reasons. They had seen what governments did with the army and they were determined for that to not happen here. They knew and had studied history, and knew that granting those powers to the military would only lead to oppression and worse abuses.

The path from freedom to martial law is a short one. You seem to have a very short term view of things. You only see the "benefits" of being able to bring more force against those whom you find to be reprehensible. You don't see the potential for abuse of this concept, the natural progression that will occur as the gov't expands the situations that they can use the military domestically. You won't see it until it finally hits home when you or a family member are looking at the barrel of a .50 caliber. And don't feed me this crap that you would never break the laws and they would never do that to you. Even the most ardent Nazi followers were fearful of the Gestapo. You are not afraid now Luke, but you will be as this spirals out of control.

The military should never be used as law enforcement Luke. With all due respect to those who are currently serving and have served in the past, they are not trained to be domestic law enforcement. They are trained to fight and win military situations, places where "might makes right," and in my opinion should be used as the absolute last resort even there. It is bad enough that the police are becoming paramilitary units as we continue to slide towards martial law, without bringing the actual military into people's homes. Even in places like Russia, where they have a long tradition of military being used to enforce the laws and oppress the people, there is till crime Luke, and still a flourishing drug trade. But there is also no freedom. I can think of no place that uses the military to enforce domestic laws where there is any semblance of freedom.

Herr Luke, if you want to live in a Fascist state I respect your freedom to do so, but count me out. I have no love of Fascism. My family left Germany to get away from that crap, then volunteered to go back and fight against their former friends and neighbors. There is no way I can sit here now and in good conscience support the very things they were willing to lose everything to escape.

George

[Pat McCotter]

The path from freedom to martial law is a short one. You seem to have a very short term view of things. You only see the "benefits" of being able to bring more force against those whom you find to be reprehensible. You don't see the potential for abuse of this concept, the natural progression that will occur as the gov't expands the situations that they can use the military domestically. You won't see it until it finally hits home when you or a family member are looking at the barrel of a .50 caliber. And don't feed me this crap that you would never break the laws and they would never do that to you. Even the most ardent Nazi followers were fearful of the Gestapo. You are not afraid now Luke, but you will be as this spirals out of control.

When Hitler attacked the Jews
I was not a Jew, therefore I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the Catholics,
I was not a Catholic, and therefore, I was not concerned.
And when Hitler attacked the unions and the industrialists,
I was not a member of the unions and I was not concerned.
Then Hitler attacked me and the Protestant church --
and there was nobody left to be concerned.

Pastor Martin Niemoller
ADDRESS TO THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS, 1968

[FreelanceFreedomFighter]

 

Dream up any oppressive, totalitarian rules and laws that you wish Luke... Then dream the nightmare that your worst enemies are the ones that will enforce it.

I wonder if you're an LEO... (notice, I only refer to certain "peace-loving, freedom-minded" individuals that wear a uniform to "serve and protect" as peace officers... the rest are "LEO"s and they don't understand the difference...  ) 

As for me and my family... we have a long tradition of putting our proverbial @$$es on the line to defend our freedoms, liberties, rights and futures... In fact, in my family, that is documented back to the late 13th century.    Totalitarianism, slavery, mob rule, "putting the good of the many before the good of the individual", "social engineering", (and the list goes on) are all the antithesis of Freedom. You believe that there has been 200 years of "coddling criminals". I believe that it is about control. You can't control honest people, you can only control criminals. So, how do the "powers that be" control the population at large? They make so many things a crime that it is impossible to live without somehow being a "criminal". Then they've got you. They control you. They own you. Well, I bow to no man... I am owned by no one... I am an Abolitionist... I believe in abolishing all forms of slavery/totalitarianism/mob rule/etc.... I am 1001% "pro-choice" on everything (with the caveat that you can't harm anyone else unless it is self-defense)... YOU, on the other hand, have stated your willingness to have the STATE enforce, through the use of force at the point of a gun, YOUR desired arbitrary rules on others. You wish to control others while I (and other like-minded freedom-loving people) only wish to be left the hell alone! UNfortunately, it is those of YOUR ilk that FORCE those such as myself in the unenviable position of having to take action. Not that we want to fight, just that we are forced by our love of freedom, liberty, our unalienable rights granted by our Creator, our future, our lives and our sacred honor, to stand against threats to us and become "freelance freedom fighters". Everyone understands the moniker of "freedom fighter", so why the "freelance"? Because it is not about a single cause or a single encroachment... it is about all causes where freedoms, liberties, rights, and our future are attacked... it is about all encroachments and putting a stop to the "slippery slope" even though it has become an avalanche.

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