Can I run away to Keene like AnarchoJesse Did?

[dalebert]

Luke, you don't even know Jesse's situation. He's an adult and he wasn't living at home so he wasn't "running away". He'd already decided to move to NH to join the FSP and his dad used that as an excuse to try to declare him insane. He didn't use that word but "harm to himself or others" is a tactful way of saying he thinks he's insane. His dad used his connections in the police force to cut Jesse off from his own property. It sounds like Jesse probably shouldn't have even told his dad he was moving out of state but maybe he didn't have good reason to believe his dad would over-react the way he did.

That fact that you're like 22 years old and talking about running away from home because your parents are "mean to you" makes you sound incredibly juvenile and immature. The term "running away" applies to children who are not capable of supporting themselves. Even according to the arbitrary laws of our statist overlords, once you're 18 years old, you're parents have no legal say in whether you leave or not. Sheesh.  My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.

[Porcupine_in_MA]

Or he's just some troll. Which is more likely.

[Jan]

My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.

I agree with most everything you wrote, Dale, but not with the above.  Luke needs to get out into the world and open his eyes & ears.  Folks on here need to meet Luke...maybe he just can't express himself well with the written word...so, come to NH for a visit Luke.

[FTL_Ian]

Luke is a troll.  He claims to be reformed, but it's clear he is not.

[Luke S]

My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.

I agree with most everything you wrote, Dale, but not with the above.  Luke needs to get out into the world and open his eyes & ears.  Folks on here need to meet Luke...maybe he just can't express himself well with the written word...so, come to NH for a visit Luke.

I don't agree with any of what they wrote.

It's just another clever jab that uses absurd, illogical statements to take me out of context and repackage me into something completely different, accompanied by the ever-present "Luke is a troll" broken record brigade. They've been doing it ever since I showed up on this forum, and frankly I don't ever expect them to stop. Oh well. Looks like I'm just going to have to set the facts straight once again:

First of all, you don't "become ready" to be an adult whenever you darn well please. That's nothing but psychobabble feel-good gobbledygook that was invented by shrinks and social engineers, partly for the purpose of increasing the societally-recognized age line between childhood and adulthood, which was done partly for the purpose of increasing the size of government, because when you have more "children", you have more government, something which all of you are supposedly against.

Anyhow, you become an adult when you hit a certain biological stage, and once you've hit that biological stage, then you become an adult. That is a biological fact, not a psychobabble fiction.

The term "running away" applies to children who are not capable of supporting themselves. Even according to the arbitrary laws of our statist overlords, once you're 18 years old, you're parents have no legal say in whether you leave or not.

Your so-called "application" of the term "running away" is contradictory in and of itself. If they couldn't support themselves, then logically they wouldn't be able to successfully run away, now would they?

If they are underage according to the "statist overlords", and they do run away, then usually what happens round here is that the parents call the police, the police looks for them, finds them or not, and if they find them, hauls them back from wherever the new place they decided to live is, back to where their parents want them to live. Which basically confirms that they successfully ran away and successfully supported themselves for however long they ran away.

Sheesh.  Roll Eyes My impression based on your language and demeanor is that you are not yet ready to be an adult so I suggest you stay with your parents a while longer.

And my impression based on yours is that you should go back to drawing anarchy boogey-men. 

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Luke, you come across as hostile to a lot of people on the forum, so serious or not, people are going to naturally be reluctant to help you.

That said, Keene isn't the only place to persue liberty activism in NH. I know you're a big fan of gun rights, and right now the open carry guys are doing a LOT of gun rights activism in Manchester. I gather than the eastern part of the state is a bit more conservative Republican/libertarian (minarchist) based while Keene (and increasingly Grafton) are more for the voluntaryist anarchist types. I'm certainly not telling you where to go, but a big part of the moving to New Hampshire is to be surrounded by like minded people and you're not really getting that by jumping into the anarchist hotbeds.

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Oh, fear not, voluntaryists, there is plenty of room for you in Manchester.

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Oh, fear not, voluntaryists, there is plenty of room for you in Manchester.

I'm actually being serious. It might be obvious I'm both a voluntaryist and aiming for Keene, but I consider myself in an uneasy alliance with anyone willing to promote liberty. Otherwise, I'd rip my already fleeting hair out listening to Mark every day.

Again, in seriousness, sitting in Vendetta with my wife and a handful of liberty minded folk was one of the defining moments of my life, seriously. It was the first time I really felt a part of a group and could let my guard down and it was because of the kinship and meeting of the minds. It's a damn powerful thing. This forum here, by virtue of being non-political, tends to attract anarchists of some kind, or at the very least, those who have lost faith in the government as a means to achieving liberty. Luke may be trolling, or he may seriously be coming to see liberty as something he wants to work for. I'll reserve my judgement on exactly which, but I'll toss out my opinions and ideas on the assumption that he's serious.

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You should drop by Taproom Tuesday sometime. We have quite the eclectic mix. Manchester has become the place for many people who think that both out-of-system and in-system activism would be more effective when they complement each other and when we work together despite this particular item of disagreement.

That and we know how to drink copious quantities of beer!

[Luke S]

Luke, you come across as hostile to a lot of people on the forum, so serious or not, people are going to naturally be reluctant to help you.

That said, Keene isn't the only place to persue liberty activism in NH. I know you're a big fan of gun rights, and right now the open carry guys are doing a LOT of gun rights activism in Manchester. I gather than the eastern part of the state is a bit more conservative Republican/libertarian (minarchist) based while Keene (and increasingly Grafton) are more for the voluntaryist anarchist types. I'm certainly not telling you where to go, but a big part of the moving to New Hampshire is to be surrounded by like minded people and you're not really getting that by jumping into the anarchist hotbeds.

Kevin Dean, thank you for that information. Kevin, no I'm not an anarchist. But I like when Dave Ridley and Lauren Canario and the Kannings break the unreasonable laws.

I know that for a lot of you, being around people that think like you was a big part of moving to NH. This is a big rationale for a lot of people who move nowadays to various places, and America is becoming a lot more ideologically stratified. A lot of people embrace this as a good thing, but as for me I am used to being surrounded by people who aren't of the same ideology as me, and although it can be frustrating at times, I feel like if I were surrounded by people who thought exactly the same as me, I would be hearing the same thing over and over again, and I would be preaching to the choir every time I opened my mouth. I believe that being around people with different ideas than my own and hearing them can often be thought provoking and part of the learning process.

What I see as necessary is stopping a growing police state and stopping the growth of UN dominion and the shrinkage of American sovereignty. This should be the concern of all ideologies: conservatives, liberals, and libertarians.

Oh, and by the way, I talked to Denis Goddard, and Denis was very reasonable and helpful. So it's not true that people aren't going to help me.

I disagree that I have been confrontational. I might have said a few confrontational things, yes, but I have received far more confrontation than I have dished out. Also I disagree that confrontation is necessarily a bad thing. It can often be interesting and thought provoking

[Russell Kanning]

looks like Luke has been invited to Manchester with open arms ... boy that was a close one 

[Kat Kanning]

Dudes, you want to help some guy who's going to turn people in for smoking pot?!  WTF?

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Actually it was Kevin Dean I was inviting to Manchester, not Luke.

[Russell Kanning]

aha ... much better

[FTL_Ian]

Actually it was Kevin Dean I was inviting to Manchester, not Luke.

Good point of clarification!