Can I run away to Keene like AnarchoJesse Did?

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Actually it was Kevin Dean I was inviting to Manchester, not Luke

[Porcupine_in_MA]

Not the Dancing Banana Man!!??

[Luke S]

Ok, so by the looks of things, I guess the answer is that the Free State Project only wants anarchists to go to Keene. Oh well. At least I asked.

[Free libertarian]

Luke, go to Keene, or anywhere you choose...that's freedom.  Don't expect everybody to welcome you with open arms...that's freedom too.  You don't need the endorsement or the permission of the FSP to promote liberty.

It's nice to be liked but I wouldn't get so hung up about it that you lose sight of the big picture.
So even if good people that are fighting for freedom have reasons to reject you, you shouldn't reject the idea that freedom is worth fighting for....None of us are perfect, we can't control what we've done in the past, but we can try to shape the future.  Despite any good deeds you perform in the future, you may have to accept that certain people are never going to trust you, that's life.

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Ok, so by the looks of things, I guess the answer is that the Free State Project only wants anarchists to go to Keene.

That assumes way to much. Firstly, if you want the opinion of the Free State Project, write to the head of the FSP. Otherwise, you're getting the opinion of Free State Project members. The Free State Project's aim to to get 20,000 liberty loving activists to move to New Hampshire. You don't need to be an anarchist and you dont' need to move to Keene to do that.

The Free State Project doesn't want people going to any specific thing. They dont' even say publicly which kind of activism they endorse. This is, believe it or not, actually something a lot of anarchists (and I use the term loosely to encompass many people) criticize the FSP for.

Not everyone here is fond of the Free State Project, though most everyone here is fond of the aim of the FSP. By assuming anything a particular member says is "the opinion of the FSP" is wrong, both in the sense that they don't represent the FSP and in the sense that not everyone in the FSP agrees.

Oh well. At least I asked.

You've burnt bridges. A lot of people think you're an asshole. People aren't reluctant to help you because they don't want you moving to Keene because you're not an anarchist. People are reluctant because you've called them "scum" and "criminals" and said they deserve to be put into slave labor camps. Whatever epiphanies you may have had, as much as you regret not having them now, you'd burnt bridges within THIS community, and before you have any realistic expectation of people wanting to aid you freely you'll need to make up for that.

[Luke S]

You've burnt bridges. A lot of people think you're an asshole. People aren't reluctant to help you because they don't want you moving to Keene because you're not an anarchist. People are reluctant because you've called them "scum" and "criminals" and said they deserve to be put into slave labor camps. Whatever epiphanies you may have had, as much as you regret not having them now, you'd burnt bridges within THIS community, and before you have any realistic expectation of people wanting to aid you freely you'll need to make up for that.

If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps), then what about all those people who knowingly vote people into office who keep the status quo wrt income tax slavery, and Social Security tax slavery, and UN slavery? What about Highline, who is a police officer, supposedly one of the "enemy" in your book? What about Jan, who voted straight-ticket Democrat for 30 years?

I think your real problem with me is you don't like it when I point out the holes in your anarcho-capitalist theories. And you don't like it when I point out that I have worked in Detroit for 3 summers in a real bad area and I know that libertarians aren't telling the whole truth about drugs. I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.

Having somebody come on here and tell you that you are wrong in some areas and provide reasons why is probably an experience that you have not had before, so when it first happens, your response is to "shoot the messenger".

Kat told me I was never banned from here. I'm not convinced of the truth of that statement. Although I tried to get on here more than a few times during the past couple months, I absolutely could not get on no matter what I did until recently. Oh, and I tried on my dad's computer a couple times, and I could not get on from that computer either. It would just give blank fields whenever I tried to sign in, and do nothing. And I know somebody changed my name to "Narc" a couple times, and put "Nazi shithead" in my signature. So I'm not convinced that I wasn't banned. Especially since my last couple posts before I couldn't get on again were a little more hard-edged than usual. (Just for the record, I'm not saying that Kat banned me and then said she didn't, it could have been one of the other admins that banned me and didn't tell Kat so she didn't know.)

[Coconut]

I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.

Are you still willing to put people who haven't hurt anyone in prison?

It would just give blank fields whenever I tried to sign in, and do nothing.

This happens to me often at work. Or I do log in, but then am logged out within a few clicks. I had to lower my cookie security to make it through. I'm not sure if NHFree was listed as higher risk for a short time that may have prevented you from logging in correctly.

[Luke S]

I will admit that the establishment wasn't telling the whole truth about drugs, either, but neither are you.

Are you still willing to put people who haven't hurt anyone in prison?

No.

It would just give blank fields whenever I tried to sign in, and do nothing.

This happens to me often at work. Or I do log in, but then am logged out within a few clicks. I had to lower my cookie security to make it through. I'm not sure if NHFree was listed as higher risk for a short time that may have prevented you from logging in correctly.

Thanks for the info.

[Brandon]

If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)

Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?

[Roycerson]

If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)

I no longer wonder if Luke's just pretending.

[Luke S]

If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)

Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?

It was something I proposed two months ago. I don't really believe in it anymore, I was just trying to use it as an example in a hypothetical.

A community service work site is just what it is. It's a place where people who have been sentenced to community service go to in order to carry out the community service that they have been sentenced to.

[Brandon]

If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)

Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?

It was something I proposed two months ago. I don't really believe in it anymore, I was just trying to clarify.

A community service work site is just what it is. It's a place where people who have been sentenced to community service go to in order to carry out the community service that they have been sentenced to.

Sounds like they're being forced to labor in a camp.

[Luke S]

If you think that I'm bad for proposing to put drug users into "slave labor camps" (which are in reality community service work sites, not slave labor camps)

Can I ask you what you believe the difference between a slave labor camp, and a community work site would be?

It was something I proposed two months ago. I don't really believe in it anymore, I was just trying to clarify.

A community service work site is just what it is. It's a place where people who have been sentenced to community service go to in order to carry out the community service that they have been sentenced to.

Sounds like they're being forced to labor in a camp.

Well we have that nowadays, don't we? What about people who have to pick up trash by the side of the highway because they've been sentenced to community service? Is that a "camp" in your book, too?

[error]

Sure they're being forced to labor, though not necessarily in a camp, or a plantation. Our modern slaveholders have a wide range of options, and sometimes they'll even let us little slaves choose among some of them! We have the nicest masters in the whole world!

[J’raxis 270145]

A community service work site is just what it is.

Work site. Und Arbeit macht frei, nicht wahr?