Ian Questions City of Keene on Taxes

[FTL_Ian]

I just find their system curious.  I'm experimenting to see how true the claims are.  Never said I expected it to do anything for me, like save me from a trip to jail.

Just to be clear, I wasn't implying you thought so either. I was just wondering why this matters to you enough to pursue it. The whole "curiosity" think is understandable, kind of like watching how ants carry on.

I've paid off my debts, so what else do I have to do with my free time outside of show stuff?  I might as well experiment on the "fringe" to see if this stuff works.  Sam is doing similar stuff down in TX.

[Russell Kanning]

for what's it's worth, I took what he said as meaning, this is how I would answer if I were just asked by a person on the street, not answering as a govt official.

or ... the answer I would give to any normal person on the street .... not just to you who were posing these very technical questions.
He didn't seem to be giving "correct" answers ... just stuff out of his heart (a meanspirited bureacratic one).

[dalebert]

Even so, what does it say about the bureaucrats when one this high up can't answer these questions confidently?

[Coconut]

Even so, what does it say about the bureaucrats when one this high up can't answer these questions confidently?

this http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2008/08/27/passing-the-buck/

Nobody is held responsible. It's impossible to hold someone accountable. The system is a beast that has everyone trapped in it, and keeps going only because everyone believes it exists.

[John Edward Mercier]

Even so, what does it say about the bureaucrats when one this high up can't answer these questions confidently?

I thought he explained it pretty well. The City of Keene is acting under the authority of the State of NH.

[dalebert]

Even so, what does it say about the bureaucrats when one this high up can't answer these questions confidently?

I thought he explained it pretty well. The City of Keene is acting under the authority of the State of NH.

But he wasn't able to answer direct questions that seem pretty relevant based on the NH Constitution. His explanations were essentially evasive.

[John Edward Mercier]

I doubt many elected officials could answer questions on either the US or NH Constitution... even if a copy was right there in front of them.

I wish that was meant to be funny... but the knowledge that so many have sworn to uphold something that they can't even comprehend is frightening.

[FTL_Ian]

Even so, what does it say about the bureaucrats when one this high up can't answer these questions confidently?

I thought he explained it pretty well. The City of Keene is acting under the authority of the State of NH.

But he wasn't able to answer direct questions that seem pretty relevant based on the NH Constitution. His explanations were essentially evasive.

Correct.  Most were non-responsive.

[Russell Kanning]

Even so, what does it say about the bureaucrats when one this high up can't answer these questions confidently?

It shows they don't know or care where this stuff comes from. They only understand force ... not consent.

[Russell Kanning]

Nobody is held responsible. It's impossible to hold someone accountable. The system is a beast that has everyone trapped in it, and keeps going only because everyone believes it exists.

and can be stopped if a minority ... just won't give in

[John Edward Mercier]

The court understands consent. Ian's deed has a tax stamp and reference to the State of NH... it replaced the Crown in granting right of property.
The property was taken by force sometime in the past... it was never free of force.

[Vitruvian]

The property was taken by force sometime in the past... it was never free of force.

Hence the need for a radical re-examination of land titles.

[John Edward Mercier]

You do realize that the natural state of NH is temperate forest (at least for the last several thousand years)... I doubt you could find many acres that have not been at one time labored upon since the Europeans arrived.
Even the term 'old growth forest', which used to mean existing without interference by European settlers, has been changed to include biological markers that allow it to be bestowed on forests of just a few generations.
But all of these would be either grants of the Crown, or State. So its really just a matter of reading the deed/title.

Crown allodial title was subject to seizure by order of the Crown, its owner was also subject to tribute (taxation) to the Crown. The King didn't grant his Lords their own kingdom.
Crown allodial title restricted the lands from being claimed as payment or restitution by another.
A modern version of this is the Florida Homestead Clause that does not allow seizure by creditors that do not have a direct interest in the property.

[Vitruvian]

But all of these would be either grants of the Crown, or State. So its really just a matter of reading the deed/title.

I'm not sure you caught my meaning.  The state is not the source of legitimate property titles.  If it can be shown that an area of land was expropriated at some point in the past, then the current user of the land is not the rightful owner.

[John Edward Mercier]

But the link stated the opposite.
It was expropriated from the native tribes by the Crown allodial titles to various bureaucrats and colonistic corporations.