Denver: Reporter Assaulted, Pushed Into Street, Choked, Arrested

[Russell Kanning]

you .... got a ... problem ... puke?

[Sam A. Robrin]

I just have to roll my eyes at the stupid violent rhetoric in the above post. 

I know what you mean, I do the same thing with pacifism . . .

(Hey, I'm a former Quaker, I can say that!)

the thing is ... the guy will not back it up

What's needed is a multitude of the like-minded, large enough that "Hey, they can't kill us all" seems like pretty fair odds.  I think there are enough people out there to raise one, if the properly charismatic but unassuming organizer can be found.  (All I know for sure is, it ain't me!) 
     The Black Panthers organization started that way before it devolved into an ego-driven control trip.

[David]

Quote"violence in self defense is not a crime...."
For all practical intents and purposes, yes it is. 
This forum is owned by people who do not apprieciate violent retoric or threats, even generalized threats, towards our oppressors.  There are other forums and places where you can vent frustration freely, and where it is more welcome, than this one. 

[AntonLee]

. . . I use them constantly. . .

[Kat Kanning]

Quote"violence in self defense is not a crime...."
For all practical intents and purposes, yes it is. 
This forum is owned by people who do not apprieciate violent retoric or threats, even generalized threats, towards our oppressors.  There are other forums and places where you can vent frustration freely, and where it is more welcome, than this one. 

I didn't say that, nor do I think self defense is a crime.  I think calling for violence against the government is stupid and strangers who show up doing this are probably working for the government.

[Russell Kanning]

I agree.
I personally don't defend myself ... but I am not going to send away from my presence anyone that does.
The guys post on this thread was not very extreme .... but we are not impressed by that sort of talk.

btw ... again sam ... why not go and do it ... not wait for a crowd. I think your stand makes sense ... maybe you should start it and see who joins you?

[William]

Quote "violence in self defense is not a crime...."

For all practical intents and purposes, yes it is. 

What?

[Lloyd Danforth]

..a crime.  But of course, he's wrong.

[AnarcSyn]

in the spirit of maintaining good relations on the board, and simply b/c its the right thing to do, i do apologize for putting some of you off... posting that communication w/out my own preface or follow up comments was a mistake on my part, and i do beg your pardon...

i deeply respect those who hold dearly to the principal of non-violence, just as there can be circumstances where i will respectfully disagree... even as a buddhist i find it difficult at times to maintain a non-violent attitude in a world filled w/ such real violence, and an addiction to the vicarious violence of television, cinema and other media, and hardly anyone really fighting back, even if it is a mothers type slap to teach a lesson thru embarassment and shame...

i too find violence deplorable, be it by private, criminal or state actors... i've watch videos of protests from around the world that make my blood boil when agents of the state obey and act out the operating principal of states: organized violence... as a result, i fully favor self defense against the organized violence of the state... i sometimes think that if folks bloody the nose of a state bully, they may have second thoughts before swingin that stick...  i do not advocate active warfare against the state, or arbitrary harassment or provocation of armed agents of the state, just self defense...

is it a crime to use violence in self defense?  or is it just the only justification to use violence?  yes, in some circumstances self defense can cross some defined lines and become a criminal act.. it would have been best had i not used the "violence in self defense is not a crime" phrase...

again, i apologize for starting this conversation in the manner i did, which clearly caused some distress...

[Russell Kanning]

I don't think any harm was done in the making of this conversation.

I think there was just not perfect communication.

[Lloyd Danforth]

distress?

[Free libertarian]

 When I was a boy often times the "authorities" a parent or a teacher would determine guilt in a violent exchange by asking "who threw the first punch"? I suppose that was an attempt to ingrain in us kids that
starting it was a sign of guilt or a bad thing to do.  So maybe due to that indoctrination, I've tried to adhere to the simply philosophy of not "starting it".  However I officially sanction self defense and think that it's uh reasonable and proportionate use needs no justification when circumstances warrant it. 

[Lloyd Danforth]

Damn Tootin!