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Flag Burning 11/03

Started by AnarchoJesse, September 18, 2008, 02:17 AM NHFT

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Fluff and Stuff

How will they know Jesse is a member of the FSP (if he is even one).  Maybe they will also reject all young people or all males.  Maybe they will reject everyone from the park.  I don't think it makes sense to burn the US flag (and would be a waste of my time) either but how much harm could it really cause to the freedom movement in NH.  Will only communists and socialists get elected because of a flag burning?  The worse thing that can happen is Jesse gets beat up and arrested, which is terrible but only hurts him.

Lloyd Danforth

Quote from: kalmia on October 03, 2008, 01:05 AM NHFT
What is the goal of this burn?  Do any of you think that this may make enemies of those who could be potential converts?  They may reject you and your ideas and all FSPers without discovering the rationale.

I think that man otherwise rational people have a latent sense of nationalism that may flair up in an event like this.

Think this over.

I agree with Mountain Laurel on this one! ;D

Jared

personally, i have no problem with the us flag being torched (it's just a piece of cloth)...and i understand why you are doing it. however, i don't really know that other people will quite get the picture.

Sam A. Robrin

#33
Something I learned working the LP ballot drive in 1980, and have had no reason to change my mind about in all the intervening years, is that the majority of people whom libertarians are afraid of offending will find any excuse to reject a new idea.  They're afraid of rocking the boat, of losing what little they have, of change, often of responsibility, even of thinking itself.  Try to please them, and you'll please no one--as the events of the last twenty-eight years illustrate.

Russell Kanning

so ... jesse .... are you promoting this event? is it happening?
should I come and photograph your beating at the hands of nationists ;)

Coconut

Quote from: Radical and Stuff on October 03, 2008, 01:10 AM NHFT
How will they know Jesse is a member of the FSP (if he is even one).

The people around here have a way of knowing. Possibly if Ian and other free-state signers are around at the time.

If I go, I will be covering it as a news event, not attending as a supporter. The pledge is one of the most evil things this country has, but burning the flag will not be taken in a positive manner.

AnarchoJesse

Quote from: kalmia on October 03, 2008, 01:05 AM NHFT
What is the goal of this burn?  Do any of you think that this may make enemies of those who could be potential converts?  They may reject you and your ideas and all FSPers without discovering the rationale.

I think that man otherwise rational people have a latent sense of nationalism that may flair up in an event like this.

Think this over.

I have thought this over, and I don't care to pander to nationalist sympathies.

But consider for a moment- I personally do not want to attract people who act so irrationally to the cause. YOU may find merit in the idea, but I prefer to pick from people who already have a balanced head on their shoulders. Now, if these nationalists want to reject me because of my burning the flag, all the more power to them- the feeling will be made mutual when they go cast that vote the day after I burn the flag.

And that, right there, sums up the goal. For every election that is held, I will burn a flag. For every parade praising murderers and institutionalized thugs, I will burn a flag. If these people can share their views so overtly, I can do the same. It would be a two-faced act to suggest dismantling the State but stop short of burning a piece of cloth that represents it because "the wrong message might be sent across".

AnarchoJesse

Quote from: Russell Kanning on October 03, 2008, 07:25 AM NHFT
so ... jesse .... are you promoting this event? is it happening?
should I come and photograph your beating at the hands of nationists ;)

I am doing it. I have NO intention of not doing it.

AnarchoJesse

I'm getting some heat from other Free Staters it seems on this-

To them I say "Fuck you. If the State can take my money, shove it's views down my throat, and threaten me with incarceration for victimless 'crimes', I see no reason to not burn a flag."

FTL_Ian

Quote from: AnarchoJesse on October 03, 2008, 11:45 AM NHFT
I'm getting some heat from other Free Staters it seems on this-

To them I say "Fuck you. If the State can take my money, shove it's views down my throat, and threaten me with incarceration for victimless 'crimes', I see no reason to not burn a flag."

Good for you.  The politicos will never be pleased with most disobedience.  Have you been accused of "poisoning the well" yet?  Are people giving you heat in private messages?

AnarchoJesse

Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 03, 2008, 11:48 AM NHFT
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on October 03, 2008, 11:45 AM NHFT
I'm getting some heat from other Free Staters it seems on this-

To them I say "Fuck you. If the State can take my money, shove it's views down my throat, and threaten me with incarceration for victimless 'crimes', I see no reason to not burn a flag."

Good for you.  The politicos will never be pleased with most disobedience.  Have you been accused of "poisoning the well" yet?  Are people giving you heat in private messages?

Yep. I've had about three today so far.

FTL_Ian


AnarchoJesse

Quote from: FTL_Ian on October 03, 2008, 11:50 AM NHFT
Quote from: AnarchoJesse on October 03, 2008, 11:49 AM NHFT
Yep. I've had about three today so far.

Repost?

Honestly, I don't care too- I'm not looking to start drama, but I did want to address them collectively. I was surprised who they came from at first, but otherwise it makes no difference to me.

Vitruvian


AnarchoJesse

#44
Quote from: Vitruvian on October 03, 2008, 01:40 PM NHFT


For the children.

XD

Yeah!

But honestly, some of the reasons I've got are just inane. People are acting like if we DON'T burn flags, freedom will come faster- to this, I can only ask "if this is the case, why are we still enslaved"? The vast majority of people haven't burned flags, ever- but they're still kept in chains. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that by "respecting" the flag, we can be both consistent and achieving anything worthwhile.