Saving taxes with Open space preservation

[free55]

New Housing Not to Blame for N.H. School Woes, Study Concludes

Pat Hammond
The Union Leader (Manchester NH)
July 18, 2005

Did you read this goofy article? "the rising school costs seen in the 1990s and into the early 2000 decade reflect instead the spike in school enrollment that denotes the presence of the children "

DUH

Yes indeedy. ?The rise is school enrollment is due to the presence of more children. ?I think this is what is called a bureaucrat's death grip on the obvious.

Those communities that are preserving open spaces are stopping the expenditures on new schools while others are building with a frenzy.

These articles are sponsored by those wishing to exploit NH. ?I say stay home and leave us NH folks alone. ?Don't force us to develop the wildernesses that drew most of us to NH in the first place.

By the way, the Union Leader is the mouthpiece for developers and scammers. ?When NH is nothing but stripmalls and use car lots and apartment complexes, you'll be picking someplace else to move to. ?

[AlanM]

Those communities that are preserving open spaces are stopping the expenditures on new schools while others are building with a frenzy.

Exeter has been buying open space for years. The school costs keep skyrocketing. Gee, there is a new high school being built for something like $32 million. But of course you must be right free55.

[free55]

From the quoted article:

Other findings The 21-page report also finds that: * In all New Hampshire public schools,
single-family detached units generate 0.54 students
single-family attached units: 0.34
two-unit buildings: 0.38
three- or four-unit buildings: 0.34
five- or more unit buildings: 0.21
mobile homes, 0.34

for an average of 0.45 for all structure types.

* In the case study area:
all single-family units genereate 0.55 students
all condomniums: 0.12
all mobile homes: 0.33

The average for all four municipalities was 0.42 students.

Spoken like a true government bureaucrat. ?

Can't talk, cause I'm making breakfast for my 0.54 children. ?

I'm excited with the prospect of cutting my food bill!!

[free55]

Those communities that are preserving open spaces are stopping the expenditures on new schools while others are building with a frenzy.

Exeter has been buying open space for years. The school costs keep skyrocketing. Gee, there is a new high school being built for something like $32 million. But of course you must be right free55.

If they hadn't bought up any land and those spaces had filled up with kids instead of deer, think of how many more schools would be built (and the resultant taxes).

What have you got against cutting taxes?

[free55]

Conservation easements are a terrible idea.?

True libertarians were conservationists at heart.  What happened to flip this equation?  It's a long journey to travel from conservationist to land exploiter.

[GT]

From the quoted article:

Other findings The 21-page report also finds that: * In all New Hampshire public schools,
single-family detached units generate 0.54 students
single-family attached units: 0.34
two-unit buildings: 0.38
three- or four-unit buildings: 0.34
five- or more unit buildings: 0.21
mobile homes, 0.34

for an average of 0.45 for all structure types.

* In the case study area:
all single-family units genereate 0.55 students
all condomniums: 0.12
all mobile homes: 0.33

The average for all four municipalities was 0.42 students.

Spoken like a true government bureaucrat. ?

Can't talk, cause I'm making breakfast for my 0.54 children. ?

I'm excited with the prospect of cutting my food bill!!

It's the government bueracrats that spout of constantly about 2 kids for every new home. Please point us to a study that backs up your opinion.

[AlanM]

free55,
I DO want to cut taxes. I'd like to eliminate taxes, in fact.
Your reasoning is false. Taxes are not saved. Money is spent to buy the land, or the easements. (tax money) Because of the limiting of available housing/land, the value of the homes skyrocket, which means that more money is spent each year on property taxes by each homeowner.
So we have tax money spent on the open space, AND higher effective taxes on the home. Where is the savings?

[Michael Fisher]

Conservation easements are a terrible idea.?

True libertarians were conservationists at heart.? What happened to flip this equation?? It's a long journey to travel from conservationist to land exploiter.

"Conservation easements" are not voluntary transactions.? You steal taxpayer dollars, through the town government, to have it buy your land from you, in return for losing ownership of your land, but you're allowed to live there AND you continue paying property taxes on it.

???

In my opinion, any time the government gives you money, that is due to some sort of theft, whether it's theft of your money or someone else's money.? Even business contracts with government entities are theft in my view.

I believe conservation of land is a great idea if done through voluntary land trusts and voluntary transactions with non-government organizations.

[free55]

I believe conservation of land is a great idea if done through voluntary land trusts and voluntary transactions with non-government organizations.

Acquiring land without paying for it is the root of socialism attitudes.? If the citizenry chooses to pay for land, they buy it.? Don't try o coerce private land owners to turn over their private property to the government for nothing.? I prefer the easement approach.? The owner gets paid, the owner retains ownership, the owner can still farm or forest the land, the public gets to avoid the cost to the community of further? development, the hunters get to hunt on the land, wildlife has a supportable habitat, and NH doesn't turn into Massachusetts.

[Michael Fisher]

Not to be insulting, but I think you should reread my post... a couple of times.

[Kat Kanning]

If paying for the public schools bothers you, why not just get rid of them?

http://honestedu.org
http://lsfund.org

[EZPass]

If paying for the public schools bothers you, why not just get rid of them?

Don Quixote comes to mind as idealistic but impractical.

"Don Quixote is typical of the Renaissance in the way that it satirizes the chivalric traditions of the Middle Ages as absurdly old-fashioned. The crazed and impoverished Spanish noble who sets out to revive the glory of knighthood has been romanticized in the popular modern musical, The Man of La Mancha; but Cervantes has little compassion for the "impossible dreams" of his protagonist, who refuses to face facts even when he is hit over the head with them. Even though his relatives have taken away the chivalric romances which they think have driven him mad and tried to confine him, he has escaped with his squire Sancho Panza who is much less learned but a good deal saner than his master."

http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_2/don_quixote.html

[EZPass]

Quixotic references aside, what are the best home schooling resources/references available?

[Kat Kanning]

New Hampshire specific, or in general?

http://www.littleredhomeschool.com/Favorites/homeschool_sites.htm

http://www.nhhomeschooling.org/
This site has a homeschool guide for something like $5 which has good info on NH homeschooling and homeschooling in general.  If you have questions, their mailing list is good: 
http://mailman.dimentech.com/mailman/listinfo/nhhr-l

Another good listing of NH homeschool resources:
http://nhhr.dimentech.com/

Some general help:
http://www.honestedu.org/misc/liberate.php

Or I'm certainly willing to answer questions.  My daughter, 14, has never been to school.

[EZPass]

Thanks for the helpful links.