Kiddie Diddlers - Bad for the FSP!

[DigitalWarrior]

Please do not come here.  I say again, Please do not come here.  Especially if you love the cause of the FSP and Limited Government.

Quite frankly, I do not want the FSP to help sex offenders move here.  I cannot imagine a better way to get the people here to be INCREDIBLY HOSTILE to us.

Tomorrow's Newspaper Article:

Free State Project arranging Sex Offender Moves to NH

In order to reach their stated goal of moving 20,000 government hating, law-detesting people to New Hampshire, they are reaching out to sex offenders.  On one Free-State Project related website, a man who was convicted of committing sexual assault on a minor was organizing help to move to New Hampshire.  ___________, a mother of a young child who lives in Manchester, near Porcupine row on elm street says, "I don't know why they want to bring baby rapists to attack children!  They should be marginalized politically!".  The police chief has said that there is nothing that he can do legally to prevent the Free State Project from organizing an effort to move sex offenders to New Hampshire, but that when the 80% of offenders who recommit their crimes on children here, they will be caught and arrested.

In fact, there is an organized effort by members of the FSP to start a chapter of an organization called "Reform Sex Offender Laws Now!", which opposes "vindictive" punishment of child rapists and is concerned with the shame the rapists feel.  _____________ of Protect our babies from kiddy diddlers, says "They do not have the right to talk about shame, they should imagine the shame that young victims feel after the vicious attacks of these predators.  These attacks haunt children for the rest of their lives, and the predator DARES to be concerned about vindictiveness.  These predators are evil and I cannot believe the Free State Project is supporting them".

____________ of the FSP denies having an official program to assist Child Predators moving to New Hampshire.  He did not mention "unofficial programs".

A. Hack
Newspaper Reporter and Sensationalist

See also:
http://www.seacoastonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/NEWS/80203007

[DigitalWarrior]

Hate to say it, but this post makes me feel "INCREDIBLY HOSTILE" to you.
If libertarians can't help out the victims of a government gone mad with the intoxication of its own power, who can?  What other compromises and outright hypocrisies are you willing to stoop to as a result of your "delicate sensibilities"?  Possessed of such (I calls 'em as I sees 'em . . .) cowardice, how effective do you think you could be in public office?

I would hope to be more effective than Goldwater's presidency.  Oh that's right, he didn't get to be president. 

I hope that I will not be the most principled man in the coffee house.  I want to be one of the more principled men in the State House.  Our freedom will either be advanced or lost there, not in a discussion about anarchy vs minarchy over a double espresso.   In my mind the best way I can actually achieve positive change and a reduction in government is to act incrementally.  I would vote for medical marijuana with a prescription, rather than vote against it, because it moves in the right direction.  My goal would be that I don't want the government to care about adults freebasing clorox, but I will take what I can get.  I would not go into the House and immediately try to pass a law that requires all state monetary transactions be done in silver or gold because it is Constitutionally required.  I would, at the right time, propose a law to allow people who are owed money by the state to elect to be paid in silver or gold or FRNs.

I do not intend to ever vote for Unconstitutional actions.  I do not intend to vote for anything increasing the scope of government.  I do intend to try to make your life a little better, by getting The State to leave you to live your life a little more. 

We will never succeed in doing anything of substance if the FSP becomes synonymous with kiddie diddlers, regardless of how right you might be.

I would argue that by saying something I believe in a place full of people who I respect and I knew would disagree with me, I would have shown my dedication to saying what I believe is correct.  As far as cowardice is concerned, I am a former Marine.  I might shit myself in fear, but I will still do my damnedest to do what I think is right for my Country and my Cause.

[Kat Kanning]

I think perhaps Digital Warrior would be happier on the NHLA forum with the rest of the "you're ruining it for the rest of us" folks.  (Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.)

[les nessman]

   This will be the least of New Hampshires worries with whats coming on behalf of the gracious government.
Guess who I'm worried about more?  Our government has been implicated numerous times for truly abhorrent
child abuse...'cept they never went to jail you see.  Where's the outcry for those victims...unless the people
"complaining" are actually the perpetrators.  Say it cant happen in New Hampshire?  Go to the Anna Philbrook
center off of south Fruit street in Concord and volunteer sometime to help the kids who've been raped and sold
and traded like cattle.  Its really sad.   If you could read their files, and see the BS they had put up with
it would make your blood boil.   Lets blame outsiders for the problems in NH.  Classic political maneuver.
http://api.ning.com/files/b68Ajc075BWAwM*cDSwML8gp6-dxcMRImsLkaQWKPLEQNvP0KbakrcG6F8VH3AKXl8e5*bvu7RSsaENswPrc1-3uYvj7e4xv/FindersThroughaglassverydarkly.jpg

[DigitalWarrior]

I actually think that what Kat and Russel do is both courageous and important. 

I think that the only real danger is from being associated with things that disconnect people's minds, such as sex offenders, nazis, and terrorists.  It is one thing to be unfairly labeled as such, but it is another to place members of Al-Queda in NH.

And to be honest, I fear the FedGov's further assaults on the liberty of men than anything else I can thing of.

[les nessman]

  First its sex offenders, then its violent felons, then its non-violent felons, then its traffic offenders,
pretty soon everyone is on the verboten association list.  Thats how incrementalists work

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;

    And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

                                                                                        Martin Niemöller

[leetninja]

you kind of made your opinion known on the other thread.  was this one really necessary?

you are entitled to your opinion and well ... i understand what you are saying.   

other than this quick chime in ... i am staying FAR away from both of these threads from now on. 

good luck to all parties involved ...

[slim]

Digital Warrior there is already a FSP participant that moved to NH who was a convicted murderer. Humm who could that be? If you have listened to FTL you would know the answer. People can change some people make mistakes.

Prospects for the FSP would be anyone victimized by the government. As for the label "kiddie diddlers" for sex offenders is a ignorant. In different areas sex offenders can be many different things a 17 year old having sex with a 18 year old or it could be a 40 year old raping a 5 year old, or even a person pissing on a tree after a night of drinking.

I personally know a person that could have been arrested as a sex offender for having sex with his girlfriend he was 18 years old and his girlfriend who lived next door was 17. If her parents found out they were having sex they would have called the police (the girls parents did threaten my friend if they caught them) and my friend would have been thrown in prison. Was my friend a evil kiddie diddler?

[AntonLee]

let he who is without sin cast the first stone. . .

a lot of people have done pretty heinous things, they're either known by the public or not, but either way, you know what you've done.  Some people have done things that society has found to be completely disgustingly heinous. . .and are thus told they have to wear symbols, have signs in their yards, or even be forced to move from an area because a "law" says you're not allowed there.

If these people are so dangerous, and trust me I think some people are VERY dangerous, why are they not in prison?  Government has said they corrected these people in corrections facilities.  If a child molester moves in next door, and you're worried about your child. . .

1)  TALK TO YOUR KIDS:  tell them that the person next door has done something very bad and that you restrict them from interacting with that person.  Be honest with your kids of age about what that person has done, and how other children have felt being victims of such things.

or if that doesn't work, or you're too closed minded . . .

2)  MOVE AWAY. 

must we slap the scarlet letter on so many different people for so many different crimes?  Child sex was pretty normal in ancient Greece wasn't it? 

Listen, I dispise child molesters' actions.  I think it's gross, it's sick, it's despicable, and it's downright effed up.  I don't want to live next to them.  I do NOT think they should not be allowed to live in certain towns.  These lepers will never live down their past mistakes if you never allow them a chance to.

please note:  3-5 years ago I would have never even imagined ever saying anything anywhere near towards the above.  I'm sure I'd had more than one thought of "enacting vengeance" on such people.  I will also say that someone in my family has been molested.  I've got nothing to hide, I must stand by my principles, and I have been given a chance to repent for my heinous actions (drunk driving).

thanks for letting me vent.

[Sam A. Robrin]

We will never succeed in doing anything of substance if the FSP becomes synonymous with kiddie diddlers, regardless of how right you might be.

What have we succeeded in doing for the past thirty-six years?  Libertarians are already synonymous not only with "kiddie diddlers," but with "Republicans who smoke dope," "hating poor people," "cruel and heartless," and a thousand other knowingly false smears promulgated by people who have to twist the truth around to obfuscate their own criminal points of view.  All that caution, trying to please everyone, and little progress has been made.  Drop it, and adopt a properly in-your-face attitude--it can't work any worse than your suggested technique has.

[FTL_Ian]

Consensual sex with teenagers is not "kiddie diddling".

[mackler]

I hope that I will not be the most principled man in the coffee house. ...  Our freedom will either be advanced or lost there, not in a discussion about anarchy vs minarchy over a double espresso. 

I love Manchester and all, but there is a rather troubling lack of good coffee houses here.

[AntonLee]

what you don't like Dunkin Donuts haha

[DigitalWarrior]

I made this thread because SpeedPhreak asked that the thread not be hijacked.  I figured people would continue to want to share their thoughts, and I was interested in reading them.  I think the best argument so far has been the incrementalism of the bad association. 

I am going to have to think about that one a while. 

I have never heard of Libertarians being synonymous with kiddie diddlers.

[dalebert]

What have we succeeded in doing for the past thirty-six years?  Libertarians are already synonymous not only with "kiddie diddlers," but with "Republicans who smoke dope," "hating poor people," "cruel and heartless," and a thousand other knowingly false smears promulgated by people who have to twist the truth around to obfuscate their own criminal points of view.  All that caution, trying to please everyone, and little progress has been made.  Drop it, and adopt a properly in-your-face attitude--it can't work any worse than your suggested technique has.

Extremely well said. I was going to try to say something like that but I don't think I could put it any better.