Craig's List Controversy

[leetninja]

I think I may start reposting some of these to help the other people(s) get their point across - are they right about the whole thing though or no?    I don't know the law(s) well enough.
  A mention of the FSP is in here too ...

From Craig's List:

You nazi losers flagged me down - funny how you think you are the CL Police. I would love to sit down with you for a cup of Joe and discuss this issue you have with the responsible gun owners in NH. Yet you hide behind your keyboard(s) forever flagging. For what? The truth? The accuracy? Oh no!!!

I guess I will have to re-post (a lot) and now I guess is a good time to alert the Free State Project and a few other communities and then we can all get involved in spreading the truth about gun laws and rights


First off. Private trade and/or sales of firearms in the state of New Hampshire are completely legal. Our state's constitution (not THE constitution - if you live in NH you should know the STATE has its OWN constitution!) over-rules the general guidelines of an online site such as Craig's List. Much like state law over-rules town law. If a town in NH has a "law" stating that you can not openly carry your firearm well ... the state law says that you can and over-rules any town ordinance/law/rule. Same with this. Before you post all in caps (i assume because your keyboard is from 1976 and broken or you are mentally retarded) please research. Also, please don't try to lecture me about ToS. Your argument(s) are all mute thanks to NH State Constitution and Laws.

Good day to you.


Reply to: sale-900374410@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2008-10-31, 8:40AM EDT

THIS GUY WAS TRADING HIS SHOTGUN...................ILLEGAL TO POST FIREARMS HERE ON CRAIGSLIST........I'M NOT THE CL POLICE, BUT REMEMBER THIS.........IF CRAIGSLIST IS ABUSED, THEY MAY DECIDE TO CHANGE THE POSTING SYSTEM OR START CHARGING US TO USE IT...SORTA LIKE OTHER SITES......EVER HEAR THE SAYING," IF YOU ABUSE IT, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE IT"???????????????????????

    * Location: Live Free or Die
    * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

PostingID: 900472523

[MaineShark]

The CraigsList terms of service clearly states that no firearms are allowed.

CL is private property, that that is their option.  NH law cannot require them to allow sales.  All NH law does in this case is not prevent them from allowing them, if they were to choose to do so.  But they don't choose to do so.

It's a private property issue, and CL has made their choice.

Joe

[dalebert]

Have to agree with Maineshark here. It's like the mall posting signs that firearms are not allowed to be carried there. It's their right. You don't have to go there, but it's private property. Wal-mart doesn't have to sell guns and neither does CL. The town is not private property and is under the jurisdiction of the state, so it's not a good analogy.

[SpeedPhreak]

agreed

maybe someone should start a craigsgunlist.org

[SpeedPhreak]

an after thought -

very interesting to me that you can get hookers all day long but can't get guns.

[leetninja]

an after thought -

very interesting to me that you can get hookers all day long but can't get guns.

i guess that would nicely bring up the point that a lot of things arent "allowed" on their site but yet no one has a problem with the prostitution or drug sales.  so why are the users who i assume mostly are residents of NH so caught up with this whole flag anything with guns?  why not flag the hookers and drugs etc etc etc?

[MaineShark]

i guess that would nicely bring up the point that a lot of things arent "allowed" on their site but yet no one has a problem with the prostitution or drug sales.  so why are the users who i assume mostly are residents of NH so caught up with this whole flag anything with guns?  why not flag the hookers and drugs etc etc etc?

Because of demographics.  Typical CL users fall into certain areas of the political spectrum.  Not all, but many.

And it only takes a few flags to get a post removed, so it doesn't have to be many folks with no lives and an anti-gun agenda, to get those posts removed.

Joe

[SpeedPhreak]

why not flag the hookers and drugs etc etc etc?

because that hinders another persons choice/freedom. just because "they" choose to do it to "us" doesn't mean "we" should do it back.

[leetninja]

well im not saying we shoudl do anything back.  I am just saying i dont think that the argument of "cant post guns because terms of service clearly state they are not allowed on craigs list and it is private..." etc holds ANY water because the terms of service on CL also state that prostitution, drugs, etc are all not ok to post.  So "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" should come into play no?

if guns, drugs, and prostitution arent allowed why is it that only the guns are being taken off the site but the drugs and prostitution stays no problem?

I think it is a little skewed ... thats all

[SpeedPhreak]

that is my fault ninja - i have never bothered to read the TOS on CL.

So yea - actually - maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea after all.

[dalebert]

I'm not going to flag prostitution and drug posts. I think it would send the wrong message. I don't want to do bad things to other people just because people are doing bad things to me. It's not even targeting the people who are doing the bad thing (flagging) but rather just random people out there.

[leetninja]

im not saying we should flood craigs and flag everything in sight - just pointing out that the "flag nazis" are way out of line in regard to these posts.  if they are going to flag gun posts they should flag all posts that violate the rules of craigs list.  another thing i find odd is that CL specifically states prostitution not allowed yet they have an entire section in "services" called "erotic services"

[MaineShark]

im not saying we should flood craigs and flag everything in sight - just pointing out that the "flag nazis" are way out of line in regard to these posts.  if they are going to flag gun posts they should flag all posts that violate the rules of craigs list.

Theoretically, they should.  But they are hypocrites.  Such is life.

It doesn't have any bearing on the gun posts, though.

another thing i find odd is that CL specifically states prostitution not allowed yet they have an entire section in "services" called "erotic services"

As long as it doesn't meet the legal definition of prostitution, it's allowed.  They're covering themselves for liability, not actually trying to oppose consensual behavior.  Sometimes they go a bit far in that realm (like banning ads for guns, even in areas where they are legal), but that's their choice.  Your choice is to write them a letter asking them to amend their ToS, refuse to use their service, or such.

Of course, given that their service is free, and using their service actually costs them bandwidth, boycotting them over this issue would not necessarily be productive.

Joe

[K. Darien Freeheart]

.ILLEGAL TO POST FIREARMS HERE ON CRAIGSLIST........I'M NOT THE CL POLICE, BUT REMEMBER THIS

This line makes me cringe. Not because I think the guy is a moron, but because I think he might be dead serious. When I think, I think of concepts (I call them "mindwords" since they include their relation to all other things I associate them with) that I have to put into words. It makes me sad to think that this person sees "prohibited" and "illegal" to mean the same thing.

[kola]

ebay owns a portion of criagslist and will eventually own all of it...thus cl will be gone