Porc 411: SPCA and Police en route to home in Candia NH

[Lumpy]

Perhaps he is related to this Steve Sprowl, an investigator with the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals

Now I know where all the animals go that get murdered in the government killing hotels...

This guy eats them all!

[FTL_Ian]

First, big congrats to Cooper and Beth for having the courage to take on two Blue Light Gang members in the middle of the woods.  It's no easy task, as we're just not used to standing up for ourselves.  Practice will make perfect, and with that in mind, some unsolicited suggestions:

Cooper's analysis at the end of the video is correct.  You do not need consent to record bureaucrats, or anyone for that matter.  If they claim they don't give consent, tell them you don't need consent as you are recording and you're on private (or public) property, and if they want to avoid being recorded, they should leave the vicinity.  (This doesn't apply if you are on their private property or the property of an owner who doesn't want you recording.)

Beth:  If you ever ask a cop "is there a law that says I..." they will always claim there is.  Besides, you didn't consent to their laws, did you?

Tips on interacting with potentially violent bureaucrats:
http://freekeene.com/2008/10/15/principles-of-interacting-with-potentially-violent-bureaucrats-usually-cops/

[Kat Kanning]

I agree with Kira...Cooper was brave standing up to those guys.  Kudos to Cooper and Beth!

[MaineShark]

If you ever ask a cop "is there a law that says I..." they will always claim there is.  Besides, you didn't consent to their laws, did you?

Asking "what is the RSA number for that?" works better (presuming you don't want to go into the consent issue), as chances are high that they don't know it, and it will put them on the defensive.

Joe

[Josh]

This world needs more Coopers.

[Russell Kanning]

those guys are annoying

[Kat Kanning]

So they didn't give Cooper a ticket or anything?

[Josh]

Nothing but a 'stern talking to' about cooperation.

[drumnaked!]

Forgot to list the email address of the SPCA nonprofit'o-crat, Steve "Bullhorn" Sprowl: ssprowl@nhspca.org. The website: www.nhspca.org.

[Lumpy]

I'm another one who called.  I was and still am hot about this.  I think I'm more ripped than Cooper is about it and I haven't even met him yet.

Part of me wants to rip them new ones, but part of me knows better.

Ian is right about the consent stuff.  These guys will soon learn what he means.  They will try to goat you into it at every step.

I have it to these guys, I may have not reacted as well.

[shyfrog]

I called and left my concern with the Candia police.

You have to wonder what goes through these bureaucrats mind when they realize they just stepped on a rattler...

[Dave Ridley]

i had to remove and re-upload my second vid about this because of grabframe error

here are the commetns i had to delete in the process

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i'm so happy beth called the cop on that 'right to come on the proptery.' claim.

and cooper, way to stick up for the law, even when those who you pay to enforce it won't.

beth kept her head in a potentially dangerous situation. and coop dizzle is one brave motherfucker.

seriously, you have both performed heroically.
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So....the SPCA (which is not even a government organization that I know of) can get a warrant to search your property ??? How can a non governmental organization get a search warrant???
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In AZ they ave REDFLEX camera fraud... it's a private company that puts up cameras (traffic monitoring) EVERYWHERE and sends bills to the owners and claims it's them driving and they have done all kinds of BS... you know how it goes. I can't believe THAT is happening either.
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I can't believe these folks are cowards when facing a video camera. :3
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Yes; cowards and liars. Don't forget they are liars too.

I never cease to be amazed (though it's old hat) at how bad these thugs can be.

[Dave Ridley]

does this guy have a boss or corporate higher-up we can complain to?

[drumnaked!]

I believe the police chief reports to the Board of Selectmen. But there is a complex maze of rules and reporting that goes from our little town to Concord and then to Washington.

Might not hurt to call the police chief or the board of selectmen. The chairman, Fred Kelley, fixes all of our cars and trucks and trailers and tractors. Which, right now, is quite a business for Fred.

As far as the SPCA, no more donations for them.

[Tom Sawyer]

The Chief of Police is Mike McGillen. I talked to him face-to-face for about a half hour this evening at the polling place in town. He apologized for the incident and seems like he wants to do the right thing.

He is doing damage control, most probably. You should consider asking for a public apology from the offending officers. Making this more public helps discourage future retaliation.

I bet this is not the first incident of trying to scare young people with a handcuffed ride/kidnapping. I also wouldn't doubt the "Chief" is aware of the practice.