Porc 411: SPCA and Police en route to home in Candia NH

[error]

This situation has already gotten them a whole bunch of unwanted negative publicity. Actually getting a warrant (if they even could) and going through with a search, just to find nothing, along with the videos already posted, will just get them a lot more negative publicity.

[error]

As a matter of strategy I would not attempt to block police officers executing a search warrant, even if they are completely in the wrong. This is just a good way to get yourself arrested or killed for no good purpose. Much better to simply publicize what it is they're doing and let their actions speak for themselves in the court of public opinion.

[Lumpy]

As a matter of strategy I would not attempt to block police officers executing a search warrant, even if they are completely in the wrong. This is just a good way to get yourself arrested or killed for no good purpose. Much better to simply publicize what it is they're doing and let their actions speak for themselves in the court of public opinion.

Agreed.  I had a brain fart on that one.  Still pisses me off.  It's insane.

[J’raxis 270145]

Brad Jardis pointed me to this:—

105:18 Special Deputies. – Any officer or agent of any incorporated society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, upon being designated in writing for that purpose by the sheriff of any county in this state, may, within such county, make arrests and bring before any court or magistrate having jurisdiction offenders found violating the provisions of this subdivision.

So was this SPCA goon actually a government agent?

[Lumpy]

Brad Jardis pointed me to this:—

105:18 Special Deputies. – Any officer or agent of any incorporated society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, upon being designated in writing for that purpose by the sheriff of any county in this state, may, within such county, make arrests and bring before any court or magistrate having jurisdiction offenders found violating the provisions of this subdivision.

So was this SPCA goon actually a government agent?

No.  The SPCA is a private charitable organization.  Perhaps a "corporation", but certainly NOT govt.  They are entangled however with the state govts on deep levels throughout the US.

[Josh]

He was at some point deputized. He's basically a private animal control officer with all the powers of a Sheriff.

HOWEVER: Being that's he's still acting on behalf of a private company, there may be alternate avenues of recourse should things get worse. I don't know the details, but it would seem that dealing with a private company would work differently than dealing with govt.

[stanford]

Here's an update. Steve Sprowl, the SPCA investigator, finally called me back today and said that all he wanted to do is to check out the sheds as required by law. I assured him that our very expensive racehorses were well taken care of. I explained that the "Animal Cruelty Officer" from the town next door visited a couple months ago and reminded me that there was a "law" that required shelter between November 15th and April 15th. I told the cop then that I was aware of that rule of theirs. Their law actually says November 1st. Of course, I was supposed to be aware of this law by the mere fact that I was born?

For you who might not know about horses, they were around long before humans could give them shelter. The fact that they are with us today is testament to the fact that they don't really need us to survive the cold winters. Horses are amazing at growing hair when they need a sweater, and shedding it when they don't. Believe me, those hairy beasts shed like crazy in the summer!

The only difference between a horse kept in a warm barn and an outside horse is that the outside horse needs more calories to keep warm. They will be warm, they just need to eat more. We "free-feed" our horses, which means there's always a big round bale of hay that they have access to. So they can eat as much as they want, whenever they want.

Put these two facts together and you will see that building shelters for the horses just makes economic sense. The cost of a shelter will be paid for very quickly in the reduced feed requirement. We would normally have shelters finished long ago, but since we just moved here, there were other priorities (like keeping the hairless apes warm for the winter) that pushed back the horse shelter plan.

But we will have the shelters finished by the end of this weekend. Mr. Sprowl asked if he could come over next week. I told him that he is free to visit to see whatever he can see from the street. I could be there to point out where the sheds are, and that the horses are being well cared-for. I asked if there was someone in his office who might be kind enough to give us some pointers on the unique aspects of New Hampshire weather or pests that we might be unaware of. Instead of offering me someone from the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, he pointed me to the New Hampshire State Veterinarian's office!

But no one who tries to get their way at the barrel of a gun will set foot on my property without my permission or a search warrant. And the latter will open up a whole new can of whoop-ass!

[stanford]

He was at some point deputized. He's basically a private animal control officer with all the powers of a Sheriff.

HOWEVER: Being that's he's still acting on behalf of a private company, there may be alternate avenues of recourse should things get worse. I don't know the details, but it would seem that dealing with a private company would work differently than dealing with govt.

Mr. Sprowl told me that he was a cop for 25 years before joining the SPCA. He also said that he could be deputized by the sheriff, which would give him the ability to "detain and arrest citizens". He said that as if he was not under that situation now.

[Kat Kanning]

Good for you, Brian!

[Josh]

105:18 Special Deputies. – Any officer or agent of any incorporated society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, upon being designated in writing for that purpose by the sheriff of any county in this state, may, within such county, make arrests and bring before any court or magistrate having jurisdiction offenders found violating the provisions of this subdivision.

If he's not acting in that capacity now, then he should feel free to NEVER wear that badge around his neck again.

[Porcupine_in_MA]

Here's an update. Steve Sprowl, the SPCA investigator, finally called me back today and said that all he wanted to do is to check out the sheds as required by law. I assured him that our very expensive racehorses were well taken care of. I explained that the "Animal Cruelty Officer" from the town next door visited a couple months ago and reminded me that there was a "law" that required shelter between November 15th and April 15th. I told the cop then that I was aware of that rule of theirs. Their law actually says November 1st. Of course, I was supposed to be aware of this law by the mere fact that I was born?

For you who might not know about horses, they were around long before humans could give them shelter. The fact that they are with us today is testament to the fact that they don't really need us to survive the cold winters. Horses are amazing at growing hair when they need a sweater, and shedding it when they don't. Believe me, those hairy beasts shed like crazy in the summer!

The only difference between a horse kept in a warm barn and an outside horse is that the outside horse needs more calories to keep warm. They will be warm, they just need to eat more. We "free-feed" our horses, which means there's always a big round bale of hay that they have access to. So they can eat as much as they want, whenever they want.

Put these two facts together and you will see that building shelters for the horses just makes economic sense. The cost of a shelter will be paid for very quickly in the reduced feed requirement. We would normally have shelters finished long ago, but since we just moved here, there were other priorities (like keeping the hairless apes warm for the winter) that pushed back the horse shelter plan.

But we will have the shelters finished by the end of this weekend. Mr. Sprowl asked if he could come over next week. I told him that he is free to visit to see whatever he can see from the street. I could be there to point out where the sheds are, and that the horses are being well cared-for. I asked if there was someone in his office who might be kind enough to give us some pointers on the unique aspects of New Hampshire weather or pests that we might be unaware of. Instead of offering me someone from the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, he pointed me to the New Hampshire State Veterinarian's office!

But no one who tries to get their way at the barrel of a gun will set foot on my property without my permission or a search warrant. And the latter will open up a whole new can of whoop-ass!

Fucking A right. Go Brian!

[Josh]

I concur!

[J’raxis 270145]

105:18 Special Deputies. – Any officer or agent of any incorporated society for the prevention of cruelty to animals, upon being designated in writing for that purpose by the sheriff of any county in this state, may, within such county, make arrests and bring before any court or magistrate having jurisdiction offenders found violating the provisions of this subdivision.

If he's not acting in that capacity now, then he should feel free to NEVER wear that badge around his neck again.

Wearing a badge when he's not actually a cop? Smack the thugs with their own laws:—

104:28-a False Personation. – A person is guilty of a misdemeanor if, not being a sheriff, deputy sheriff, state police officer, police officer of any city or town, or any other law enforcement officer or investigator employed by any state, country or political subdivision of a state or country, he purposely pretends to be or assumes to act as such law enforcement officer or investigator, or if he purposely requests any other person to assist him in any matter belonging to the duty of such law enforcement officer or investigator.

And if he does it again after 2009-01-01, it's a felony:—

104:28-a False Personation. – Any person who knowingly and falsely assumes or exercises the functions, powers, duties, or privileges incident to the office of sheriff, deputy sheriff, state police officer, police officer of any city or town, or any other law enforcement officer or investigator employed by any state, country or political subdivision of a state or country, or who wears or displays without authority any uniform, badge, or other identification by which such sheriff, officer, or investigator is lawfully identified, and with the intent to be recognized as such, shall be guilty of a class B felony.

[Lloyd Danforth]

I doubt that this would have happened in Grafton.

[Lumpy]

I see that I have some new heroes around.  I'm with Kat; good for you, good for all of us; GREAT JOB!

It sure seems like J'raxis is right on as well.  I'm sure you will have the support IF it gets to that point, but it looks like you are far smarter than that fake cop (not hard to be from the evidence I repeatedly see by cops).

Very glad am I that you are in NH.