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Where does fed "Magistrate" Muirhead live?

Started by FTL_Ian, November 13, 2008, 12:40 AM NHFT

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Puke

While it would be nice to protest outside his home it would likely be seen as threatening.
I side with Error on this.

Kat Kanning

The first time we met Federal Marshal DiMartino was protesting outside Supreme Court Justice Souter's place.

Lloyd Danforth

Quote from: error on November 13, 2008, 03:36 AM NHFT
I'm not touching this one. Posting the home address of a federal judge is a great way to get U.S. marshals to show up at your door. Or so some of them told me once.

Simply asking the question has probably gotten their attention.  The idea of making his neighbors uncomfortable is interesting though.

dalebert

Well, an address has already been posted. Please make it abundantly clear that there are no violent intentions whatsoever. I know it ought to be obvious, but keep in mind who we're dealing with here.

FTL_Ian

This is intended as a peaceful protest.  It only exists in response to them throwing our friends in cages.  Please leave peaceful people alone, federales. 

DigitalWarrior

I would say that it is obvious that the protest should not be seen as threatening, since no one is threatening anyone.  The idea is as silly as seeing a person open carrying as threatening.  It has more to do with who is perceiving than the one being perceived. 

Lloyd Danforth

Quote from: dalebert on November 13, 2008, 06:50 AM NHFT
Well, an address has already been posted. Please make it abundantly clear that there are no violent intentions whatsoever. I know it ought to be obvious, but keep in mind who we're dealing with here.


Yeah.  If they think Lauren is as bad as Carl Drega, imagine what they think about those of us who talk even louder.

SamIam

I think caution is advised, but it's important to make this personal. If these people want to continue opressing the "citizens" they were instituted to serve, then our neighbors should know that.

Just found this: http://www.therobingroom.com/District.aspx?ID=1

FTL_Ian

What other peaceful consequences could befall a man or woman using coercion on their neighbors?  Perhaps family members like spouses and children could be identified and reached out to?  At home protests...protests greeting them as they arrive at their job?

It'd be great if we had a private investigator who could tail these violent people to learn their habits.  What do they do on weekends?  At night?  Favorite bars, restaurants, etc.  That way protesters could ruin their entertainment occasions.  Alternately, if they are members of certain groups, our people could infiltrate those groups and attempt to build a relationship with them and try the persuasion route.

Ideally they should just stop harassing and hurting peaceful people.  Then we'd leave them alone.  I hope it doesn't take them too long to learn this.

I noticed he has a published number.  If one person calls over and over, that's harassment, but if 100 people call once with a positive message of, "please stop harming peaceful people!", they couldn't go after all 100.

Other ideas?

FTL_Ian

Quote from: error on November 13, 2008, 03:36 AM NHFT
I'm not touching this one. Posting the home address of a federal judge is a great way to get U.S. marshals to show up at your door. Or so some of them told me once.

They are probably pretty intimidating, so I don't blame you.  That said, privacy is only yours if you can keep it.  If Muirhead doesn't want people to know where he lives, it's up to him to take the necessary precautions.

At least Keene's "justice" Burke was wise enough to not list his phone number.

KBCraig

#25
Quote from: Lloyd Danforth on November 13, 2008, 10:03 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on November 13, 2008, 06:50 AM NHFT
Well, an address has already been posted. Please make it abundantly clear that there are no violent intentions whatsoever. I know it ought to be obvious, but keep in mind who we're dealing with here.


Yeah.  If they think Lauren is as bad as Carl Drega, imagine what they think about those of us who talk even louder.

Or those of us who can actually block doorways by standing still.


A peace protest, announced as such, probably wouldn't get the JBT treatment. Just be aware that "protecting federal judges and courts" --however they define that mission-- is one of the marshals' top two priorities (the other being apprehending fugitives).

Anyone who blasts Lauren Canario while comparing her to Carl Drega, obviously doesn't have a firm grasp on reality, and can't tell the difference between a peaceful passive protest, and a violent murderer.

Dave Ridley

#26
This particular track of Federal civil dis (Russell's attempted distribution of handbills, then my distribution of handbills, kat and lauren's refusal to leave the IRS office, followed by lauren's refusal to accept screening) has been successful in some ways.  The initial move by russell was the most successful.    he said " i'm going to enter the IRS office and hand out flyers."

It almost singlehandedly created the "keene freedom movement."  But each "supportive arrest " has generated less mainstream media and had less effect. It's the same "law of diminishing returns" you get when you smell the same flower repeatedly.

Other "independent events" - russell's TSA airport disobedience,  fisher's manicure, the puppet campaign, lauren's eminent domain stuff.... have all been more successful than this "series" as a whole 

what separates the successful from the unsuccessful?  i think it's simplicity and novelty.  Lauren's second eminent domain arrest wasn't as successful as her first even though it was more dramatic.   why?  becuase she had already done one eminent domain arrest.  it was a "follow on arrest"

Similarly , my follow on arrest in support of russell, lauren and kat's follow on arrests in support of me... didn't have as much effect as the initial feat.

The puppet "series" seems to be getting good press, but each new act of defiance stands alone and has little to do with the others.  it's always some new and simple "crime" , some single awful law we're focusing on and breaking in a simple way.

In contrast look how complicated this particular track with the feds is becoming.  It's no longer "man arrested for delivering unlicensed manicure" or "guy jailed for attempting to board plane without id"

it's ... "russell gets jailed in 2006 for trying to distribute handbills inside an irs office, then ridley for imitating him, then lauren and kat for sitting in an irs office to protest ridley's arrest, then lauren for disorderly because she wouldn't empty her pockets at a metal detector."   it's too complex for the media to grab.

So my conslusion is (generally) don't do follow-on civil disobedeince.  If you're going to do civil dis, do something fresh.

Now it's awesome that russell's initial act had such an intense follow up, and we need to support everyone who has put their freedom on the line to protest the events surrounding his 2006 arrest.     I will do this by writing lauren roughly every few days, running vidoes, scheduling a demo at her jail and by informing the dover media of it.

but in the future, I suspect the best way to support russell (or me or kat or lauren)  is to do something new and different.  and do it by the book - the Rosa Parks book.   

To me, when I look at feds, when I listen to them....I hear people who seem to accept, respect and in some cases admire textbook civil disobedience.  They despise legal arguments from the non-political class.  They feel fear and anger when even a whiff of potential physical threat enters their minds. 

But they're not so different from the local bureaucrats when it comes to their disposition toward well performed civil dis.  They will be more robotic in dishing out penalties, but if it's done correctly those penalties may be happily borne.   As a rule, textbook civil dis is:

1) new and different
2) simple to explain
3) announced in advance, calming all physical fears the authorities might have
4) likely to generate mainstream press coverage and sympathy from at least a strong minority of the public.

To build on the success of this 2 year old "right to petition" campaign which began with russell and continued with me lauren and kat...the most promising course of action is to begin a new and unrelated campaign.   Probably it should be directed against some Federal abuse rather than a state/local abuse.  That would ensure Washington's operatives do not assume their disproportionate sentences have been effective deterrants.  But it should be new, different, and 100% in the gandhi-king tradition.

So let's set aside all this talk of protests at judge homes (something I've done, by the way, with little effect).  I'd say rejoice in the success of the "right to petition" campaign but replace it with something new, something unimpeachably harmless and innocent, something carefully planned and telegraphed far in advance.   

Ian's cameras-in-the-federal-courtroom idea has potential and continues to interest me, but I am still the perfectionist on civil dis.   For this idea to be properly executed a lot of things need to happen first...we need the right video broadcasting technology in our hands at a price low enough that we may cheerfully see it confiscated,  the right openly-announced plan, the right methods, the right trial and a second or third cameraman willing to face arrest...probably some other things yet to fall in place.   I'm not the ideal person to do it since I'm not "new and different" to them, but maybe I could do it anyway at some point.

Meanwhile my plan would be to continue shining my little light on whatever government abuses I'm in a good position to, and maintain the CD campaign against bad state/local laws. i'm thinking the next one will open issuance of an illegal payday loan on state house grounds after the legislature comes back into session.  If I can get the state or some locals to arrest me, probably I will not be available for federal disobedience.  The more I fail to get such an arrest the more likely I will turn in desperation to Washington lol. 

AntonLee

I actually think it's a good idea Ian.  Not even to intimidate, but to allow your voice to be heard in a neighborly fashion.  Nothing crazy like screaming people. . .but a simple. . .hello, and a "I don't appreciate what you've done to my friend"

even better. . . "I don't appreciate what your husbund/father has done to our friend.  Please tell him ___ stopped by." 

They STILL have to serve you a no-trespass. . . . and even then there are plenty of sidewalks.  I tend to like taking walks.  Nothing illegal about taking a walk up and down the street. 

As for the tailing idea, why not?  It's not illegal to happen to be in the same establishments that Judges go to.  It's not even illegal to use services offered by family members. 

If a judge gets shitfaced at a upscale bar, it'd be my duty to make sure they aren't driving home.

KBCraig

+1 to Dada for seeing the forest, not the trees.

error

Quote from: FTL_Ian on November 13, 2008, 10:53 AM NHFT
Quote from: error on November 13, 2008, 03:36 AM NHFT
I'm not touching this one. Posting the home address of a federal judge is a great way to get U.S. marshals to show up at your door. Or so some of them told me once.

They are probably pretty intimidating, so I don't blame you.  That said, privacy is only yours if you can keep it.  If Muirhead doesn't want people to know where he lives, it's up to him to take the necessary precautions.

At least Keene's "justice" Burke was wise enough to not list his phone number.

I have my own secrets to keep. This particular idea doesn't fit in well with either the things I have to keep secret or my future plans for activism. See also what Dave wrote.