Manchester Police Dept. Profiling and creating free staters list.

[coffeeseven]

This may very well be proactive criminal profiling. I'm curious to know if the MPD thinks members of the FSP are criminals in the making? Under whose authority have dispatchers advised patrols of "Free Staters"? How long? Are other towns doing the same thing? Is it state wide? Fed? (of course)

It's actually kind of flattering that they've sat up and taken notice. Sounds like there might be a local interest story here.

[jaqeboy]

This may very well be proactive criminal profiling. I'm curious to know if the MPD thinks members of the FSP are criminals in the making? Under whose authority have dispatchers advised patrols of "Free Staters"? How long? Are other towns doing the same thing? Is it state wide? Fed? (of course)

It's actually kind of flattering that they've sat up and taken notice. Sounds like there might be a local interest story here.

Again, just suggesting an approach to get these answers. I have a copy of the AG's opinion on application of the Right to Know law (RSA91a) somewhere, but I think it's packed away, so you can reach them today at info shown on their site to request a copy: http://doj.nh.gov/. They list some opinions at: http://doj.nh.gov/publications/opinions.html, but this one was before their web site, I'd guess, since it's not shown - believe it was an opinion of former AG Jeff Howard.

Like most things in New-Hampshire, you can find out by just calling them or going there and asking them. If you want to start at the top, call the Governor's office at the info shown on his site: http://www.governor.nh.gov/. The staff will direct you to the right department to get your answer.

One reason they ask gang affiliation on entering the can is to keep murderously belligerent members from opposing gangs segregated for their own safety. Russel's usually glib response, when asked about gang affiliation, is, of course, no help to Porcs.
[retracting remark]

[Russell Kanning]

In California for a gang to be legally called a "gang" it has to have a presence inside prison(s). Due to this if someone did state they were part of a "Free Stater" gang while going into incarceration this might have allowed them to add "Free Stater" as a official gang.

noone I know has identified themselves as part of a freestater gang in a jail

[ColdSoul]

In California for a gang to be legally called a "gang" it has to have a presence inside prison(s). Due to this if someone did state they were part of a "Free Stater" gang while going into incarceration this might have allowed them to add "Free Stater" as a official gang.

noone I know has identified themselves as part of a freestater gang in a jail

Ok, I just know someone mentioned that someone might have, or did do that. So I just wanted to input the little knowledge I did have on the subject.

[jaqeboy]

I think I found what pertains.

Here's the present [cover letter] ATTORNEY GENERAL'S MEMORANDUM ON NEW HAMPSHIRE'S RIGHT-TO-KNOW LAW, RSA CHAPTER 91-A, dated February 8, 2007. Following is a link to what looks like the text of the AG's memorandum: http://doj.nh.gov/publications/html_right_to_know.html, with references to ensuing Supreme Court cases on the issue.

Add: Here's the pdf of this: http://doj.nh.gov/publications/pdf/right_to_know.pdf
Everyone who is planning to interface with public officials on a mission to gather some public information should print out this 48 page doc, study it, highlight it, and bring it with them on their encounter.

[Russell Kanning]

Russel's usually glib response, when asked about gang affiliation, is, of course, no help to Porcs.
[retracting remark]

When I was in the Rockingham jail they jokingly asked me what gang I was in when they got to that data field ... I said "none" ... then said "wait ... the New Hampshire Underground" I was very glib ... maybe more amused when I said it and they thought it was funny.

I think the Manchester PD use of the term "Freestater" comes from the general and media use that has cropped up over time ... and connected to open carry incidents and such.

But anyone should be warned that if you hang out on this forum or with me ... you may be considered part of a "gang" or an "insurgent" or "turrist".

The FSP is also on the list of "anti-government groups" that Varrin finds very amusing.

[watershed]

WOW! It sounds like you guys are n some shit!
Its really too bad one person can F up something for all.

If a couple guys get drunk, stoned, or tripps and gets in trouble and starts talking shit, these cops will follow up on leads, Its their Job. If it becomes difficult it will be a mess.They know what they know and if everyone is cool... it can get fixed without blacklisting and supression....
You Guys are smart enough to clean up the mess don't let yourselves become percieved as Looney Anarchists.

If certain individuals have some scetchy shit going on, then its on themselves to deal with the police.
You Guys have a strange way of overreacting with police issues.
Calm down and put things into perspective and get'er done!

[AntonLee]

those people can call me a loony anarchist anytime they want to. 

"you, you're a nice guy who doesn't hurt others. . .yeah and and and you don't steal from others. . .boo yah!"

[watershed]

Do Your Thing Bro! Thats what this is all about... but don't bring mutha fuckas down with you!

[dalebert]

I'm not a looney anarchist. I'm a calm sensible anarchist.

[Kat Kanning]

One of the guards in jail told me about a gal who refused to fingerprint/book in for months.  They held her for like months extra just cause she wouldn't fingerprint.  He kept saying she was a freestater because she was so difficult - standing up for her rights that way.  He told me her name and she wasn't any freestater.  It seems like refusal to cooperate has become practically synonymous with 'freestater'.  I like that.

[watershed]

I have  an FBI file on me... I live as anonmous as possible. I get pulled over often speeding...non inspection and always get away free and clear. And I have Ideals too!

If I did get arrested I would cooperate and get out as quick as possible. Why would I limit my life and liberty by driving into a brick wall.....burrow!

This is the Underground.

[dalebert]

It seems like refusal to cooperate has become practically synonymous with 'freestater'.  I like that.

I think it would make more sense if it became synonymous with 'NH Undergrounder'. We should make her an honorary undergrounder.

[dalebert]

Why would I limit my life and liberty by driving into a brick wall.....burrow!

You would if you were trying to make an impact on liberty overall rather than just your personal situation right at that moment, but I can't blame you if you don't. Like charity, that's something that should come from personal passions and motivations; not external pressure.

[watershed]

Please don't let up if its your conviction! I love the general direction you guys take things but sometimes it gets crazy. I don't want to see you all leave I've been excited the first time I heard you were coming... but there are issues we locals must deal with before we can come save your asses from tyranny... so please just be carefull.