Manchester Police Dept. Profiling and creating free staters list.

[Jim Johnson]

Please don't let up if its your conviction! I love the general direction you guys take things but sometimes it gets crazy. I don't want to see you all leave I've been excited the first time I heard you were coming... but there are issues we locals must deal with before we can come save your asses from tyranny... so please just be carefull.

How do we "be careful"

... if we are misconstrued as violent.  Everything we do is a threat to the Goobernment's power.

The Goobernment sees all threats to their power as potential violence and always responds with a threat of overt violence.

If we ask for our liberty, then insist upon our liberty and then disobey them to achieve that liberty, they will threaten us with violence.  If we truly want liberty, they will threaten us more and then they will hurt us.

If we truly want liberty, is there careful way?  They seek control over us.

They will hurt us but not kill us, unless we become physically violent.  They will have no control over us if we're dead and they want that control.

Justice Muirhead is punishing Lauren.  He has stated in court that he is punishing Lauren to punish anyone who may follow her.
I can see them killing individuals as an example to others... that would be a mistake on their part, but they are prone to mistakes.

If we became physically violent we would encroach on their role as masters.  They will not share their role as master and they would certainly kill all of us.

My suggestion would be, to Be careful be nonviolent.

[dalebert]

My suggestion would be, to Be careful be nonviolent.

I will 2nd this suggestion. And not only that, but be VERY vocal and public about the fact that we intend to keep this a non-violent movement. Distance ourselves from anyone who suggests otherwise.

[William]

One of the guards in jail told me about a gal who refused to fingerprint/book in for months.  They held her for like months extra just cause she wouldn't fingerprint. 

Anyone know about the legality of this practice?

[Kat Kanning]

They don't have to care about the law, they have guns.

[K. Darien Freeheart]

Anyone know about the legality of this practice?

I'd suspect you're not legally IN jail until they fill out all of their paperwork. They might also say you "waive" your right to a speedy trial. The key thing to remember is that their monopoly rests on the fact that they'll be violent to you. Unless you expect a daring "Little Brother" style rescue where "smaller government" comes swooping in to put "bigger government" in it's place, "legal" matters not so much.

[bill_mcgonigle]

I heard that the pigs copied it and maybe faxed it somewhere.

This sounds like a probable 4th amendment violation.  The NHCLU might be willing to take this.

He has stated in court that he is punishing Lauren to punish anyone who may follow her.

Seriously?  That countervenes Article 18 of the New Hampshire Bill of Rights.  I assume he took an oath to uphold such.

[FTL_Ian]

Seriously?  That countervenes Article 18 of the New Hampshire Bill of Rights.  I assume he took an oath to uphold such.

He's a fed.

[bill_mcgonigle]

He's a fed.

Oh, right, thanks.

It's a real shame New Hampshire allows the Feds to curtail its citizens civil rights on its own territory outside of the specific grant under the US Constitution.  Article 3 requires them to defend its citizens against such aggressions.  I wonder what it'll take for State leaders to show leadership. Maybe if there were popular t-shirts that said "$PUBLIC_OFFICIAL is Washington's Bitch" they could get emotional about it.

[William]

Anyone know about the legality of this practice?

I'd suspect you're not legally IN jail until they fill out all of their paperwork. They might also say you "waive" your right to a speedy trial. The key thing to remember is that their monopoly rests on the fact that they'll be violent to you. Unless you expect a daring "Little Brother" style rescue where "smaller government" comes swooping in to put "bigger government" in it's place, "legal" matters not so much.

That was exactly my plan.

[KBCraig]

The FSP and the Underground can't be gangs...

Gangs are organized. 

[Jim Johnson]

The FSP and the Underground can't be gangs...

Gangs are organized. 

Our saving grace.

[dalebert]

The FSP and the Underground can't be gangs...

Gangs are organized. 

And yet people insist on trying to herd cats. 

[Kat Kanning]

*opens can of tuna*  Here, kitty kitty!

[jaqeboy]

One of the guards in jail told me about a gal who refused to fingerprint/book in for months.  They held her for like months extra just cause she wouldn't fingerprint. 

Anyone know about the legality of this practice?

It seems to be important that they properly identify the person before they integrate them into the prison population. A non-IDer, like Edward James Loh, arrested January 15, 1998, held for 109 days  in Merrimack County Jail when he wouldn't ID, was held separately, possibly in solitary and not mixed in with the population. I've heard the legal justification explained, but I don't remember it. He was a no DL, no reg traveller.
[looking for the article]
May have to do with having to check the person to see if there are outstanding warrants.
May have to do with the safety of the other inmates, in case there is gang affiliation.??
One idea is that the burden of proof is on the state to prove all elements of a crime, including the identity of the accused. People usually give that up by self-ID'ing.
Another idea is that bail is a property security thing, except in the case of personal recognizance. If you're not posting security for collateral and won't self-ID, then they have no conditions under which they can release someone pending trial. Then, they'll have the burden of proving who you are to convince a judge or jury.

[Russell Kanning]

WOW! It sounds like you guys are n some shit!
Its really too bad one person can F up something for all.
You Guys are smart enough to clean up the mess don't let yourselves become percieved as Looney Anarchists.
You Guys have a strange way of overreacting with police issues.
Calm down and put things into perspective and get'er done!

what "one bad person"?
what mess?
I haven't seen much overreacting.
I think most of us are calm.
Get what done?