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Caleb

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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2008, 10:23 AM NHFT »

Of all the anarchists/panarchists/whateverarchists in Keene, David is on my top five list for best idea:  His anarchy house project idea should be implemented asap. I'm not sure what is holding you back now, bud, there's tons of people who have moved into the area, and real estate is nearing bottom. What is the status of that project? What can be done to move it forward?
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2008, 03:58 PM NHFT »

Anarchists who love pancakes = panarchists?

 :biglaugh:
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2008, 05:49 PM NHFT »

Anarchists who love pancakes = panarchists?

Apparently I are one!
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David

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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2008, 07:39 PM NHFT »

Are you proposing that we not discuss it?
I propose that sometimes people in this movement never get past discussion.
I often tire of the discussion of the perfect term. I wanted to give David K a nudge in the ribs over another discussion.

:D  I understood the original intent.  Many in this movement are 'debateatarians'.  In fact, most are.  The greatest plans in the world mean nothing if all it remains, is a plan. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarchy

It's another word for anarchy or voluntaryism, in essence.



The biggest difference is that in advocating panarchy, I end up advocating for gov't, at least for others, to give them what they want, in the attempt to get what I want, a voluntary 'gov't'. 
It is a big mental shift for me to go from opposing all gov'ts to suggesting Panarchic gov'ts. 

Of all the anarchists/panarchists/whateverarchists in Keene, David is on my top five list for best idea:  His anarchy house project idea should be implemented asap. I'm not sure what is holding you back now, bud, there's tons of people who have moved into the area, and real estate is nearing bottom. What is the status of that project? What can be done to move it forward?
A few people seemed interested, but the status is zilch.  Need money to buy property.  I don't have it, and I screwed my credit up last year when money was particularly tight.  The project will not work on rental property, not in the principled means equal ends method I wanted. 
« Last Edit: December 27, 2008, 01:34 AM NHFT by David »
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2008, 08:13 PM NHFT »

I propose that sometimes people in this movement never get past discussion.

Are we allowed to have discussions when we are ALSO doing productive stuph?
 :D
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2008, 08:17 PM NHFT »

Anarchists who love pancakes = panarchists?

Apparently I are one!

I are too or two!  ;D
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Russell Kanning

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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2008, 07:38 AM NHFT »

I propose that sometimes people in this movement never get past discussion.

Are we allowed to have discussions when we are ALSO doing productive stuph?
 :D
I propose we listen to Dale when he is making us muffins.
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2008, 01:22 AM NHFT »

I don't really care about the term anymore so long as nobody imposes one on me. I also don't really care anymore about debating on this forum, preaching to the choir, although the fact there is such a thing as a minarchist (or whatever you call those who still have excuses for initiation of force) does make me squirm, but I somehow think they're close enough that it's almost inevitable for them to just drop over the edge sooner or later.

What I'm doing instead is debating with non-libertairans and non-voluntaryists, the people out there at large, whomever I get a chance with, from my sister to folks on a tech site to which I post some of my articles to people who use my IRC channel (which this year basically turned from a 10% voluntaryist to around 60% voluntaryist showing me incredible vindication of the voluntaryist ideas).

But when I discuss I don't go throw a label on what I'm advocating up front. I almost find that to be a stupid thing to do actually. It's like immediately saying to someone "I'm different and probably better than you cause I am an this*ist and you are that*ist". That sucks. Instead, the best strategy seems to ask questions that they aren't used to asking themselves. It's incredible how quickly this leads them to some interestingly sounding hmmms. They finally start thinking the unthinkable and realizing what they never expected to realize.

I'm gonna start a web site for this stuff and also start making HD video propaganda for it with these kinds of tingling questions, without upfront terminology and isms. For some reason I imagine a perfect storm will result.

So yea.. no more debates. It's time to help them reprogram their minds. </rant>
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2008, 01:30 AM NHFT »

Sounds fairly reasonable to me.
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David

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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 01:39 AM NHFT »

Agreed.  Not trying to debate people out of their convictions.  Just trying to find others interested in the idea. 
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 09:33 AM NHFT »

What's your IRC channel and on what server is it?
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2008, 11:12 AM NHFT »

What's your IRC channel and on what server is it?

irc.freenode.net #libervis
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David

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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2009, 06:02 PM NHFT »

An article on voluntary gov't, aka panarchy by Michael Roseff from lewrockwell.com
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff252.html
Why Governments Should Be Voluntary
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Re: Any Panarchists Here?
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2009, 06:52 PM NHFT »

An article on voluntary gov't, aka panarchy by Michael Roseff from lewrockwell.com
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff252.html
Why Governments Should Be Voluntary

 :D  I like his articles.
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