What would be ideal act of civil dis in NH?

[Russell Kanning]

Why wouldn't they be "potential allies"? They could change .... even a lawyer/poli can change.

[FTL_Ian]

If they have changed, sure they are. 

[Dave Ridley]

Oh here's another one I like...I will let the originator of this idea claim credit if he wishes but will not out him myself:

Fishing without a license.

[Lloyd Danforth]

Dave.....you've pushed it too far with that suggestion..........you're gonna bring the world down on us

[Dave Ridley]

at

http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=4910.0

some of Gandhi's workers used the technique of fasting in front of a perpetrator's house.

This sounds like an idea with potential. 

[Kat Kanning]

Oh here's another one I like...I will let the originator of this idea claim credit if he wishes but will not out him myself:

Fishing without a license.

Russell suggests doing this at the next porcfest, which is on a stocked lake.

[Sam Adams]

[Acknowleged that I have only read the first eleven pages of this thread]

Comments from a native:

Lloyd is right. Numbers matter. Right now the FSP is welcomed by some, regarded casually by others and seen as a threat to be resisted by the recent immigrant socialist defenders of the state. The last group tries to portray the FSP as people who want to take children out of the schools, give them drugs and turn them into prostitutes -- with some success. IMHO, that mindset should neither be fed nor supported. Is pot the real issue? Doesn't at least half the population already practice civil disobedience by smoking it? What's to gain by "fronting" that issue?

I think that just like random acts of kindness, random acts of civil disobedience can add up. When you have an option, don't "obey."

Also, there is a question on the November ballot for an amendment to the NH Constitution to prevent the taking of land by eminent domain for private use. Go vote for it! The numbers will be huge in support of this amendment, but your vote can make it "huger." That is a loud statement, and one in which you are accord with the natives. That vote will receive national recognition.

The FSP needs to pull in as many of the natives as it can. Pick a law that is normally ignored and get a group of people together to ignore it en masse and publicly. They won't make 200 "first arrests" for the violation. You also gain the approval of the masses because "no one obeys that stupid law."

Find laws to disobey at

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/nhtoc.htm

Another thing you can do is over-obey the law. Tie them up in their own knots. Follow laws that  no one bothers with and that they don't know how to deal with.

Every time some government weasel tells you you "have" to do something, demand that they cite the NH RSA (Revised Statute Annotated). If they tell you that you have to fill out a form, you don't have to unless the RSA is printed on it. Most people do what they are told, even if there is no real law requiring them to. Lots of things you are told you "have" to do are really for the convenience of the bureaucrats.

I would just caution you not to alienate potential native converts by using extreme measures that will spook them and confirm that FSPers are all nutcase wackos. Lead them to reason with baby steps. Start with automatically winning issues (like eminent domain). Show them that you are "like" them and "for" them, personally.

[FTL_Ian]

Is pot the real issue? Doesn't at least half the population already practice civil disobedience by smoking it? What's to gain by "fronting" that issue?

The eventual demise of the insane War on Drugs.  A "war" that is against our friends and family members.  A "war" that has been an excuse to destroy the 4th amendment. 

Returning drugs to the free market would end most violence problems virtually overnight.

[Dreepa]

[Acknowleged that I have only read the first eleven pages of this thread]
......
Comments from a native:
Show them that you are "like" them and "for" them, personally.

Well said and welcome!!!!

[Dave Ridley]

Sam welcome!   Much thanks for the advice.  I'd especially welcome more specific ideas about how we could overobey the law; that's something we haven't explored yet.   I understand canadians are doing this by turning in tons of firearms registration paperwork and flooding their gun registration system with it.

[Sam Adams]

Hi dada,

Well, of course, everyone could open carry, all the time. ;-)

[Sam Adams]

My favorite cause is a constitutional amendment to confirm the separation of school and state. The infamous "Claremont decisions" asked the wrong question. They asked whether local of state government was responsible for a government-funded education. The real question is "What makes anyone think there is any constitutional foundation for a government-funded education?"

The justices must be products of government-school educations because they don't understand English and found a "right" in the second part of the constitution (Form of Government) not the first part (Bill of Rights), and they didn't find it for 200+ years.

[Art.] 83. [Encouragement of Literature, etc.; Control of Corporations, Monopolies, etc.] Knowledge and learning, generally diffused through a community, being essential to the preservation of a free government; and spreading the opportunities and advantages of education through the various parts of the country, being highly conducive to promote this end; it shall be the duty of the legislators and magistrates, in all future periods of this government, to cherish the interest of literature and the sciences, and all seminaries and public schools, to encourage private and public institutions, rewards, and immunities for the promotion of agriculture, arts, sciences, commerce, trades, manufactures, and natural history of the country; to countenance and inculcate the principles of humanity and general benevolence, public and private charity, industry and economy, honesty and punctuality, sincerity, sobriety, and all social affections, and generous sentiments, among the people: Provided, nevertheless, that no money raised by taxation shall ever be granted or applied for the use of the schools of institutions of any religious sect or denomination.  Free and fair competition in the trades and industries is an inherent and essential right of t he people and should be protected against all monopolies and conspiracies which tend to hinder or destroy it. The size and functions of all corporations should be so limited and regulated as to prohibit fictitious capitalization and provision should be made for the supervision and government thereof. Therefore, all just power possessed by the state is hereby granted to the general court to enact laws to prevent the operations within the state of all persons and associations, and all trusts and corporations, foreign or domestic, and the officers thereof, who endeavor to raise the price of any article of commerce or to destroy free and fair competition in the trades and industries through combination, conspiracy, monopoly, or any other unfair means; to control and regulate the acts of all such persons, associations, corporations, trusts, and officials doing business within the state; to prevent fictitious capitalization; and to authorize civil and criminal proceedings in respect to all the wrongs herein declared against.

June 2, 1784
Amended 1877 prohibiting tax money from being applied to schools of religious denominations.
Amended 1903 permitting the general court to regulate trusts and monopolies restraining free trade.
The size and functions of all corporations should be so limited and regulated as to prohibit fictitious capitalization and provision should be made for the supervision and government thereof. Therefore, all just power possessed by the state is hereby granted to the general court to enact laws to prevent the operations within the state of all persons and associations, and all trusts and corporations, foreign or domestic, and the officers thereof, who endeavor to raise the price of any article of commerce or to destroy free and fair competition in the trades and industries through combination, conspiracy, monopoly, or any other unfair means; to control and regulate the acts of all such persons, associations, corporations, trusts, and officials doing business within the state; to prevent fictitious capitalization; and to authorize civil and criminal proceedings in respect to all the wrongs herein declared against.


The clause that justification for government funding rests upon is the "to cherish the interest," of four parallel items: literature, sciences, all seminaries, public schools. The separation of church and state in the Bill of Rights and further the section in this article, prevent funding religious schools (seminaries, and at the time the constitution was written all public schools). Neither do we fund literature and the sciences. ("Public schools" at that time were elementary schools run by churches but open to everyone. "Seminaries" were usually secondary-level institutions run by the churches that both trained people for ordination and took in regular students.) You see that the court completely ignored the section on monopolies. All towns/cities in NH are incorporated, though I don't know if school districts (distinct political bodies) are.

Certainly, the escalating mandates "to countenance and inculcate" are much stronger than "cherishing interests," but we don't fund "the principles of humanity and general benevolence."

We need good lawyers to raise the right questions.

[Dave Ridley]

I like Coburn's claim that he will just ignore the courts when it comes to ed funding.  that sounds like something one of us would say but he's supposedly just a run of the mill republican.

[Sam Adams]

Ignoring the court won't shut down the government schools. Perhaps we need to demonstrate at schools with signs that say "Free the minds of children!" "Monopolies are unconstitutional," "Government day care destroys free thought," etc.

[firecracker joe]

I love civil disobedience and would like some in put. I bought 24 acres of land in canterbury on a class 6 non maintained road  I recently paid a surveyor with good standings in nh to subdivide my property into 3 lots 2- 5 acre lots and 1- 13 acres .We went in front of the planning board and was rejected because i havent done enough work to the towns road(however i have spent about $30,000 in labor and materials so far). Now if i finish the road to class 5 standards they can still shoot me down. Should i take the risk of putting another $30,000 into the road in hopes they will approve of my subdivision or should i cut and run. I have put alot of time and effort into my road and would love to be able to sell a piece without towns permission. The land was subdivided so i could buy my piece. They want the land to stay as it is for wetland conservation which about five acres is wetland.Also if i want to raise or lower level of pond i need to get permits and surveys by wetland scientists and a ton of bullshit. I actually already did some civil disobedience by replacing culvert before winter so i can get home without permits but once they find out they will probably fine me which i wont pay. any input would be appreciated