Thank you, Keith

[RattyDog]

You know....when I read Fridays post, I started typing up this whole long post, blah blah blah. It doesn't matter. Friday, I'll PM you.

MaineShark:

When the woman is in jail (don't worry, it'll be soon enough, though not soon enough for me - though I wait, with giddy anticipation for the day) I will laugh at you. You who somehow look at her stupid, lying face and see an angel, I will laugh at you. When it is written down, on paper, the things she has done, the SHEER VOLUME of her thefts, lies told, etc. I hope you feel stupid. I warned people in 11/2007, of what a vicious troll she is, and I was accused of bringing unnecessary drama. Fine. I come again, and again I warn you people, and again I'm called a drama bringer. Fine. Invite her to your house, Joe. Break bread with her, let her filthy self hang around your children, sully up your furniture with her filthy residue. But again, after she either flees the state or is locked up, when you exclaim in shock "But oh my, she was always so nice, we thought so highly of her" - know that I am laughing. Feel stupid. You will...you don't now, but you will. And please, say you won't, because that will make it even better when you do...you will feel stupid, tricked and lame...but at least you won't be confused.

You can love her, you can be around her, whatever. It doesn't change what she is. She is the scum of this earth. She is damaged. She is what ALLLLLL of you here hate the most about people. The beastly person she is inside, is the reason the FSP exists. We ask people to move here because we want liberty, we want to fight a government that takes, harms and doesn't care.

She takes. She harms. She doesn't care. Over and Over. Across state lines, in communities across NH. But you know what, it's fine. This is the last time I will ever post about Sharon. I will not warn anyone else again. She's all yours....but if you do want to hang around with her, make sure you always bring a friend....because it's awfully hard to pull a dagger out of your own back.

She's so lucky to have such wonderful friends.....good luck with that, Joe. 

[MaineShark]

You who somehow look at her stupid, lying face and see an angel, I will laugh at you.

Oddly enough, someone who says, "Bill and Ivy made some bad choices which hurt Kate" probably does not consider either of those individuals to be angelic.

When it is written down, on paper, the things she has done, the SHEER VOLUME of her thefts, lies told, etc. I hope you feel stupid.

Since you hope for that, perhaps you should bring it about by, you know, actually writing down all these things?

Until then, it's just libelous trash.

This is the last time I will ever post about Sharon. I will not warn anyone else again.

Really?  Is that a promise?  Do you solemnly swear that you will abide by it?

Joe

[J’raxis 270145]

~ A KNOWN thief. KNOWN. CONFIRMED. THIEF.

If you believe the IRS is an organization of thieves, you MUST find this woman's inability to come by anything honestly repulsive. She steals. Big things, small things....from friends and unsuspecting, honest, hard working people alike. She has thieved recently, less recently...this is habit. She will steal your money, she will steal things you have that she wants, if she needs money, she will steal your things and then sell them, she really doesn't mind taking.

Evidence?

I've followed this whole disgusting drama practically from day one, and I have never heard this among the many, many rumors flying around about Ivy. That is, until the very night of this incident—Edge told me one of the things he'd heard is that she stole from someone (not multiple someones, just one person), but he didn't have any details.

Now two days later later I'm hearing someone say she's stolen from all sorts of people and that this is some sort of habitual behavior. Sounds like the usual course that completely fabricated rumors take, to me. I just have to wonder who started it.

If there's actual evidence, I want to see first-hand accounts of this before I believe anything.

~ A KNOWN liar.

Her list of lies is long and CONTINUES to grow (she does not have cancer (cervical OR ovarian) BTW, she continues to tell that one).... It is amazing to me, that people will just eat it up time and time again. This woman has communities buzzing all the way from Manchester to waaaay out in The Kanning neck of the woods...only, now people are putting the dots together and while she may think that as they nod and smile they are believing everything that comes out of her mouth, what they are really doing, is anything they can to avoid becoming more entangled with this woman, who they really wish would just leave.

Again, evidence? At least I see one concrete accusation here—that she lied about the cancer—but no evidence.

~ A KNOWN (shameless) heartbreaker.

She was friends with Kate, FRIENDS, when she decided that it was okay to start messing around with "her eagle" (it makes me sick just thinking about the way she calls him that.) Shame on them both, Bill is the one who had a relationship with Kate, but shame on them both. Did she not feel an ounce of remorse, when she was carrying on in disgusting displays of trashiness outside of The Taproom, IN FRONT OF KATE'S FRIENDS? Did she feel nothing? She stole this man, carried on with him publicly and then did everything in her power to rub it everyones faces. What did Kate ever do to her? What did Kate do to deserve that? Now, obviously it's the best thing that ever happened to Kate, but it's disgusting that she would do that to a woman who did nothing to her. Who here can say anything but kind things about Kate and her contribution to this movement? Huh? Who among you can stand and say a harsh word about this woman??

Are you aware that Kate told Bill D. & Gail that she's over this situation?

Are you aware that because of the ridiculous, childish behavior of people such as yourself, Tammy, Kevin, and the other people in that little group, multiple people have gone to her to talk to Keith about giving the okay for Ivy to come back in the Taproom? Are you aware that the only reason this situation keeps getting dredged up again and again is because people such as yourself, Tammy, Kevin, et al., won't let go of it?

Some friends you are.

Shame on you people for using Kate as an excuse to continue this ridiculous grudge as long as you have.

[J’raxis 270145]

You know....when I read Fridays post, I started typing up this whole long post, blah blah blah. It doesn't matter. Friday, I'll PM you.

Cute. Post a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense in a public forum, then refuse to share the evidence in an equally public manner. But then, that's how all rumors work, isn't it? Spread from person to person, ever growing in magnitude, yet never to see the light of day where they can be openly refuted once and for all.

[Ron Helwig]

I didn't notice anyone making any kind of scene to leave.

I do like having the back room all to ourselves. I did notice a few non-porcs check out the back, but they quickly left: SHUN! 

[RattyDog]

You know....when I read Fridays post, I started typing up this whole long post, blah blah blah. It doesn't matter. Friday, I'll PM you.

MaineShark:

When the woman is in jail (don't worry, it'll be soon enough, though not soon enough for me - though I wait, with giddy anticipation for the day) I will laugh at you. You who somehow look at her stupid, lying face and see an angel, I will laugh at you. When it is written down, on paper, the things she has done, the SHEER VOLUME of her thefts, lies told, etc. I hope you feel stupid. I warned people in 11/2007, of what a vicious troll she is, and I was accused of bringing unnecessary drama. Fine. I come again, and again I warn you people, and again I'm called a drama bringer. Fine. Invite her to your house, Joe. Break bread with her, let her filthy self hang around your children, sully up your furniture with her filthy residue. But again, after she either flees the state or is locked up, when you exclaim in shock "But oh my, she was always so nice, we thought so highly of her" - know that I am laughing. Feel stupid. You will...you don't now, but you will. And please, say you won't, because that will make it even better when you do...you will feel stupid, tricked and lame...but at least you won't be confused.

You can love her, you can be around her, whatever. It doesn't change what she is. She is the scum of this earth. She is damaged. She is what ALLLLLL of you here hate the most about people. The beastly person she is inside, is the reason the FSP exists. We ask people to move here because we want liberty, we want to fight a government that takes, harms and doesn't care.

She takes. She harms. She doesn't care. Over and Over. Across state lines, in communities across NH. But you know what, it's fine. This is the last time I will ever post about Sharon. I will not warn anyone else again. She's all yours....but if you do want to hang around with her, make sure you always bring a friend....because it's awfully hard to pull a dagger out of your own back.

She's so lucky to have such wonderful friends.....good luck with that, Joe.  

Please re-read above.

Anyhow, I don't comment on ongoing investigations, because I don't wish to become a part of the real mess, which exists not in this forum or any other place of idle gossip and scandal, but in the real world. Where verdicts are final and questions are asked which must be answered to the satisfaction of the law...which I usually do not highly regard but in this case am quite rooting for. Actually, now that I think of it, you are so far up her hind end, I'm surprised no one has talked to you, yet. Don't worry, they'll get around to you....even if you don't want them to. It's kind of hard to hide, when your little Mrs. Friend keeps lists, etc. that just *ooops* fall into the "wrong" hands. Jeremy dear, I'm afraid you've bet on the wrong horse.

Read the post again, Jeremy. You can think I'm as big a bitch as you want, and darling I know you think that, but you *do* know I'm not stupid and you know I wouldn't, after near a year of silence, spill out onto the forum in this fashion if these claims were baseless.  

Tammy is my friend. Kevin is my friend. Whoever else it is that you think is in whatever "group" you imagine I'm a part of, might also be my friend. But read this and fucking know it's true: I am not, a perpetrator of false rumors. I am not a dragger down of innocent people. I would never, in a million years, just CHOOSE to say these things, falsely. Ever. I swear on all that is most precious to me....the things I have said are true. Everything is true. And no, they are not rumors, told to me by Tammy. The only reason I even turned my eye to the forum today was because someone said you tried to make it seem as if the people who left Murphys had planned some huge scene or something...whic REALLY IS a rumor, Mr. Rumormill hater...or, I guess that would make you a Jeremy Hater. This is YOUR thread, idiot.

Edit: I feel compelled to add, that my face currently wears a smirk of satisfaction, not at this days events, but in the knowing that future events will vindicate those who have REALLY lost in this situation. Can you sense it, my smirk? Can you imagine it? Try to, and keep it in your mind...replay the imagine, after it's all said and done, and if you could replay it AS you are imagining me laughing at you, that would be great. Thanks.

[J’raxis 270145]

Two more points I meant to make:—

Walking out is not causing a scene....throwing a drink in her face and calling her what she is to her face, that's a scene.

Sorry for not being clear there—I said there was a rumor they were going to cause a scene if Ivy ever came back, which is why several of us were carrying cameras when we all walked in. But that didn't happen and instead they just walked out. I can't say I'm surprised, as most of the behavior emanating from this group has been thoroughly passive-aggressive.

When I heard about her and Bill riding around with guns and body armor, I wasn't surprised. If someone told me they assaulted someone, I wouldn't be shocked. If someone told me they kidnapped or killed someone, I wouldn't be shocked. She is so sick, that there is nothing someone could tell me about her that would shock me. She is sick. I feel for her son, seriously.

See, this is a perfect example of how prejudiced people have become in this whole situation. For the entire time I've known Bill, he's been into guns, owns many, and carries multiple on his person. He's always telling stories about his experiences with guns, working at a gun shop, and so on. He frequently wears body armor. There's a somewhat famous photo of him wearing body armor at the Liberty Forum while he was working security. And Ivy bought a gun sometime after she'd moved here.

So when I hear about Bill being stopped wearing two guns, magazines, and body armor, and Ivy being stopped carrying one gun, I don't even think about what they're carrying. You on the other hand immediately conclude they're up to no good based on it. Why?

[RattyDog]

Why?

Because she is a criminal of the truest and blackest kind. She is without a consience. The woman has a personality disorder. I don't know anything about Bill, aside from the fact that he needlessly and shamelessly hurt a woman who cared greatly for him. But I do know her, and I do know that something has happened to her, I don't know what, which has caused her to become empty inside. She doesn't feel anything when she lies, she doesn't feel anything when she hurts people.

I really can't even look at this thread anymore. I cannot be sucked into a debate on this, I really cannot stop myself from posting about this when I read your comments and I really don't want to sit here all day doing this when I have an awesome little girl who would love to play with me. I don't want to get caught up in this, it had been so long, before today that I had even thought of her. I'm sick with negativity now, thinking about her just makes me so frustrated.

Later 'gator.

P.S.: Jeremy, you're a smart kid. Spend a little time out in her neck of the woods. Talk to people. Do a little research. It will be fun.

[PaulOtt]

As a third-party who is unfamiliar with anyone in the situation, I find the following paragraph confusing. If it is known and confirmed, why not share some details of what is known and confirmed? It just doesn't make sense to me. If warning the community is your objective, supporting your statements would only help your case.

~ A KNOWN thief. KNOWN. CONFIRMED. THIEF.

If you believe the IRS is an organization of thieves, you MUST find this woman's inability to come by anything honestly repulsive. She steals. Big things, small things....from friends and unsuspecting, honest, hard working people alike. She has thieved recently, less recently...this is habit. She will steal your money, she will steal things you have that she wants, if she needs money, she will steal your things and then sell them, she really doesn't mind taking.

[MaineShark]

...but you *do* know I'm not stupid...

I can't speak for Jeremy, but I don't know anything of the sort.  And, judging from reading what you've posted, I have far more evidence of your stupidity, than I do of Ivy's supposed thievery.

Anyhow, I don't comment on ongoing investigations...

Now that is funny.

Do please tell how you would be aware of "ongoing investigations," if you were not actively a part of such an investigation?

I am not, a perpetrator of false rumors. I am not a dragger down of innocent people. I would never, in a million years, just CHOOSE to say these things, falsely. Ever. I swear on all that is most precious to me....the things I have said are true. Everything is true.

Fine.  Support them.  With evidence.

Edit: I feel compelled to add, that my face currently wears a smirk of satisfaction, not at this days events, but in the knowing that future events will vindicate those who have REALLY lost in this situation. Can you sense it, my smirk? Can you imagine it? Try to, and keep it in your mind...replay the imagine, after it's all said and done, and if you could replay it AS you are imagining me laughing at you, that would be great. Thanks.

You do realize that this reads like the rantings of a teenager on myspace, right?

Just making sure you know that.

Joe

[joeyforpresident]

Since I, too, don't know all about what's gone on (allegedly), I would like to state for the record that the rumors about Ivy's Spice of Life going out of business are not true. I confirmed this with Bill and "Ivy" (is that her nickname or real name or what?) via e-mail, and they said those were probably vicious rumors.


I don't know who told me, other than to say I heard it up here in Plymouth.



Anyway, the food is good, but I'm not sure what all you guys are talking about. I wouldn't mind attending and dropping by one of those Taproom Tuesday events. Is it invitation only?


I can do a great Bill Clinton impersonation with my bullhorn

[J’raxis 270145]

But read this and fucking know it's true: I am not, a perpetrator of false rumors. I am not a dragger down of innocent people. I would never, in a million years, just CHOOSE to say these things, falsely. Ever. I swear on all that is most precious to me....the things I have said are true. Everything is true. And no, they are not rumors, told to me by Tammy.

It is not my intent to claim that you're intentionally spreading false rumors; I don't know what your motivations are in this situation, so I couldn't begin to claim that. But until I see concrete evidence, I will continue to believe they are false rumors and you simply don't know this. Most rumors once they've traveled more than a couple people from their source are majoritively false.

The only reason I even turned my eye to the forum today was because someone said you tried to make it seem as if the people who left Murphys had planned some huge scene or something...whic REALLY IS a rumor, Mr. Rumormill hater...or, I guess that would make you a Jeremy Hater. This is YOUR thread, idiot.

I clearly stated in the first post that I knew it was a rumor, so I don't know where you're going with this. And I never stated I hated rumors or rumor mills, I just get pissed off when people are spreading unsubstantiated rumors that hurt someone, especially when that actually seems to be the intent. (I'm aware of several rumors like this, e.g., Kevin telling people her restaurant's going out of business, so people shouldn't bother going there. What possible reason is there to tell someone that except to hurt the business and its owner? That's not "warning" people of "dangerous" individuals like you appear to be doing—that's just vicious, and incredibly petty.)

In fact, I find the whole concept of rumors to be an intriguing sociological phenomena to witness and study—as you probably know, I'm an atheist, and a big part of my becoming such was studying various mythologies, their origins, truth content, how the seed of truth within became perverted into something else, how one small tribal superstition became a full-blown world religion, and so on. Rumors work exactly the same way, and can be punctured by pointing out the exact same flaws.

Anyhow, I don't comment on ongoing investigations, because I don't wish to become a part of the real mess, which exists not in this forum or any other place of idle gossip and scandal, but in the real world. Where verdicts are final and questions are asked which must be answered to the satisfaction of the law...which I usually do not highly regard but in this case am quite rooting for. Actually, now that I think of it, you are so far up her hind end, I'm surprised no one has talked to you, yet. Don't worry, they'll get around to you....even if you don't want them to. It's kind of hard to hide, when your little Mrs. Friend keeps lists, etc. that just *ooops* fall into the "wrong" hands. Jeremy dear, I'm afraid you've bet on the wrong horse.

Wait, what is the actual claim here?

That she behaves in a manner you find to be "trashy"?
That she is some sort of petty thief?
Now, that she's some sort of informant giving lists of freestaters to the police?

This is why I believe this stuff is nothing more than rumors. These stories are all over the map, with the only commonality that they all serve to make Ivy look bad.

[J’raxis 270145]

I wouldn't mind attending and dropping by one of those Taproom Tuesday events. Is it invitation only?

Anyone can come by. It's in the back room of Murphy's Taproom; people usually start showing up by 17:00 or so.

[Fluff and Stuff]

Anyway, the food is good, but I'm not sure what all you guys are talking about. I wouldn't mind attending and dropping by one of those Taproom Tuesday events. Is it invitation only?

If it is, you are already invited because I've already invited you in the past.  Every Tuesday there are lots of freedom lovers in the backroom of Murphy's Taproom (you can find directions and more on the website, http://www.murphystaproom.net/ ) from 6 pm - 11 pm.  Before 6 the apps are half priced.  The beer is only $2.  There is also pool and free wifi.  Come, enjoy.

[J’raxis 270145]

...but you *do* know I'm not stupid...

I can't speak for Jeremy, but I don't know anything of the sort.  And, judging from reading what you've posted, I have far more evidence of your stupidity, than I do of Ivy's supposed thievery.

In Natalie's defense, no, she's not stupid. But everything being written here needs to be understood in the context that they're coming from someone who had already taken a rabid dislike to Ivy long before any of these rumors about thievery, Kate's breakup, &c., had come about. Natalie accuses you and I of being biased in favor of Ivy because we're friends with her, and yet the very same thing can be said about her.