Thank you, Keith

[Keyser Soce]

A community, or social group, whatever...which wishes to reach it's full potential, which wishes to be safe (emotionally, mentally, physically, the whole bit) must take responsibility for the quality of it's members.

Perhaps some witch hunts are in order.

I continue to be amazed, that some of the finest, brightest and most reasonable among us, continue to behave as if this woman is anything other than this:

~ A KNOWN thief. KNOWN. CONFIRMED. THIEF.

Maybe you should follow their lead. It doesn't seem that anyone has confirmed anything about said person but you're well on your way to confirming a few things about yourself with this post.

If you believe the IRS is an organization of thieves, you MUST find this woman's inability to come by anything honestly repulsive.

WTF kind of logic is that? Is being in the restaurant business dishonest?

She steals. Big things, small things....from friends and unsuspecting, honest, hard working people alike. She has thieved recently, less recently...this is habit. She will steal your money, she will steal things you have that she wants, if she needs money, she will steal your things and then sell them, she really doesn't mind taking.

Unsubstantiated hyperbole! You're not even talking about something she has done, you're claiming to predict her future behavior. This is non-sense.

~ A KNOWN liar.

Known to whom?

Her list of lies is long and CONTINUES to grow (she does not have cancer (cervical OR ovarian) BTW, she continues to tell that one)....

As stated by others, you have access to people's medical records? Also, have you never lied? Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone. Not that the rest of us have seen any evidence of this long and growing list.

It is amazing to me, that people will just eat it up time and time again. This woman has communities buzzing all the way from Manchester to waaaay out in The Kanning neck of the woods...only, now people are putting the dots together and while she may think that as they nod and smile they are believing everything that comes out of her mouth, what they are really doing, is anything they can to avoid becoming more entangled with this woman, who they really wish would just leave.

Now you claim to know what people you haven't met are thinking when speaking to someone miles away! And apparently, we're all two faced hypocrites smiling and nodding at someone all the while wishing they would go away. Is this what you do? If you smile and nod at me, should I assume malice? I'll have you know that if I want someone to go away, I tell them so. To their face. As would any honorable person.

~ A KNOWN (shameless) heartbreaker.
She stole this man,

People aren't property and can't be stolen. If, that's if, B and K have a contract, then only B or K can damage the other by breaking said contract.

What did Kate ever do to her? What did Kate do to deserve that? Now, obviously it's the best thing that ever happened to Kate, but it's disgusting that she would do that to a woman who did nothing to her. Who here can say anything but kind things about Kate and her contribution to this movement? Huh? Who among you can stand and say a harsh word about this woman??

This is not either or. Yes, we all like Kate. What's your point? Mine has been made for me by others, you're using Kate to further your own agenda.

Some of you don't seem to get it. Not only is the woman sick. Not only will she cause as much trouble in your life as you will allow, all for the sake of feeding her need for chaos and attention, but she STEALS. She LIES compulsively. DO YOU GET IT??? DO YOU??? SHE STEALS FROM FAMILIES. She takes things from people who HELP HER and then SELLS their things to get money for whatever it is she buys...trashy lingerie, pleather, I don't know. This woman has a child, A BABY, and she still carries on this way.

This is not just once, not twice, this woman is a career and habitual offender....not of stupid laws, which we all here fight, but the REAL laws. The laws which say "I work hard, I'm trying to put food on the table, you may not take my property", the laws which WE HERE hold especially dear, the ones which state that "my word is my bond, my handshake means more than a crappy piece of paper"...THOSE laws. This woman is a shameless liar and she will take you for all you are worth, smiling at you the whole time.

You don't seem to get it. We're not buying into emotional garbage. Lose the logical fallacies and come up with some hard facts or just drop it. Trashy lingerie? Are you jealous or what? I can't even respond to the rest because I'm feeling dirty reading it. Have you considered a lucrative career as a gossip columnist?

[MaineShark]

The reasons Ivy was being evicted from her restaurant, was because:

1. She wasn't paying him....month #1 - no rent payment, month #2 - no rent payment, and so on. This constitutes theft, and so the landlord took her to court. She is paying her rentnow (is not caught up, but is paying) but no one knows where she is getting the money...well, some of us don't know. Some of us do.

That's an amusing way of putting it.

The place being a complete and utter dump when they leased it, the landlord being handed checks, but not transacting them, and then attempting to evict them after they remodeled the place at their expense so that he can turn it over to someone else... would be another.

4. The fire marshalls, health inspectors, etc....all have been through the building multiple times, this woman is not even ATTEMPTING to follow codes (her right if she ownedher own place and yes, I hate the stupid codes too, but this is the LANDLORDS property and HE is the one who ultimately is in trouble for all of this)...

In my professional capacity as a mechanical contractor, I would be happy to testify to the fact that the mechanicals in the place did not even come close to vaguely meeting code, prior to their lease of the place.  If the landlord is worried about the place meeting code, he probably should have repaired those faults, before leasing it to someone, eh?

...and on top of it, has completely alienated herself in the community by trying to get other business owners to pay her water bill...or, at least half of it, because you know, it's just not IVY if she's not leeching off of someone.

Aren't those the business owners who are tied onto her water meter?

1. Why is it, that even thought she has been dragged in and out of court, owing thousands of dollars, breaking codes, stealing, lying....she hasn't been evicted? Every time she has been brought to court..."something" mysteriously happens and she gets away with staying there without paying?

Like, perhaps, the court deciding that they did actually make payments, and the landlord didn't negotiate the checks?  Something mysterious like that?

2. Why are so many of the records from these proceedings missing?

Which records are those, precisely?

3. Why was Ivy carrying around a list of Freestaters names and locations.....freestaters who do not wish to have their location known....

Others might call that an "address book," which is not exactly an uncommon thing for someone to carry.

and how did this list "mysteriously" land in the hands of LEO's??? She says it was a mistake.....that they made her give it up. I, personally, would have eaten it and spat it in their faces before I would have given them this list.....

I'm curious... have you ever been arrested?

5. Why is it, that with multiple investigations into this woman being conducted on the city level, that the local police in multiple cities have their "hands tied" - want a direct quote on that one?? "We can't even go to her house, we're sorry" - what does that mean???

Who, precisely, are you quoting?

I know I promised I would never talk about her again....but then I received more information about her from a person up north, and my disgust for this lunatic slimeball was deepened. She is mentally ill, she will not stop. I can't even comment on most of what I know about her because I am sworn to secrecy....

So, you admittedly broke your promise, and you attempt to weasel out of that by claiming that you received "more information," about which you are conveniently sworn to secrecy?  Since you don't keep your promises, why not violate that one, too, and share the information?

The people I have spoken with, who have reached out to me and others in this community looking for help, who thought they were the only ones who were being victimized by her....they all say "What the hell is the Free State Project she is always going on about, why do these people think we want them here?" - because they all think that she is an accurate portrayal of the typical mover. HOW FREAKIN' SAD IS THAT? She must be stopped.

Oh?  Perhaps these mysterious individuals will show up and corroborate your claim?

I won't be holding my breath...

Ivy.....not a month, moment, con, lie has gone by that I have not been keeping track of your exploits. I will not stop watching you until you are in jail. I do not know why have been protected, why nothing sticks to you, I don't know if it is because you are working with the Feds or if it's because they are investigating you themselves, but until you are behind bars, I will track you and I will wait. Your file is thick and getting thicker. I know you don't feel shame, I don't expect that. But regardless of what you feel or don't feel, you cannot continue to do this, not in the State of NH, anyway. The police are afraid to touch you, completely useless per usual, but you will go down.

Hmmm... sounds like a stalker, to me.

ooops, one more question, now that we're out in the open here:

Sharon,

Convenient to ask questions of someone who can't respond, eh?

Fortunately, this is a case where I can speak from direct knowledge, having been present when the burglary was discovered (I had hired Bill, Ivy, and another Porcupine to do some work for me, and return transportation was included in the contract).

Why did that young man get arrested for receiving stolen property? Were the guns really stolen? They weren't even supposed to be at the house in grafton anymore because you don't live there.....

What makes you think they don't live there?

and you had moved them. Did you move them back??

Only some firearms were moved.  Oddly enough, like most folks here in NH, they had multiple firearms.

Who stole them? How did you know who they were sold to after they were stolen?? I didn't recognize the young mans name....

The police caught up with him, separately.  When the guns were reported stolen, those fun Federal databases made the link, based upon the serial numbers.

it seemed odd that he turned himself in at Manchester HQ, when the guns were supposedly stolen in Grafton and you reported them stolen in Bristol....wht does that mean? It's been bugging the CRAP outta me!

It's not at all odd that someone who stole something in Grafton and then returned to Manchester, would turn himself in, in Manchester.

And, the report was made from Grafton, not Bristol.  Roughly half a dozen individuals were present when the call was made.  If you are going to make up stories, you should stick to those secret sources who've sworn you to silence, because when you try and make up stories about real events, you just may find that you run afoul of those who have direct knowledge of the situation.

So far, it looks like the only thing you've proven is that you are a (rather inept) stalker.

Joe

[RattyDog]

Joe,

You can say about me whatever you wish. The truth is, there is nothing you can say about me, to me, which will prevent this woman for paying for her crimes.

The ways in which this weasel has wriggled out of paying these people arrears/being evicted make me sick. She is wrong. She is a criminal. She will go to jail. I hate the police gang.....but if they need my help, for Ivy, they will get it. The networkof citizens from across this state who have been victimized by her and who now wish to see her pay for her crimes, if large and will work tirelessly. The Private Investigator who is going to make sure she is caught, is a brilliant man and has a nose like a hound. He knows all about scumbag sharon and will leave no stone unturned. When she goes down, it wil be for everything.

Stalker....no. I prefer to think of it as my duty to my community and to nice, hard working citizens who have been conned by this woman. To quote one woman who just this morning confirmed the thousands of dollars her family is out due to scumbag ivy "I don't know why my husband fell for it, I knew she was bad news but he fell for it - now look. She walks and we're left here holding the bag" - I don't know why people fall for it, but they do. I suspect they will continue to fal lfor it until she is behind bars, like ananimal, where she belongs.

Like I said....everything she's done, since 11/2007, I've got it. I'm sick of this crap. You canonly explain so much away by saying "Well, you just hate Ivy" - yes, I do, for good reason. She is a criminal. CRIMINAL.

[RattyDog]

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[MaineShark]

Stalker....no. I prefer to think of it as my duty to my community and to nice, hard working citizens who have been conned by this woman.

Stalkers always do try to justify themselves.  You do realize that you sound exactly like some guy in the bushes outside some woman's house, muttering to himself about how no one loves her as much as he does, and it's his "duty" to make sure that she ends up with him, right?

Joe

[D Stewart]

Like the great majority of the folks who may read this, I know nothing whatsoever about the circumstances underlying this venom or the background to the claims which are being made here.  However, based on my direct knowledge of and respect and trust for several of the folks who post here, I am forced to the conclusion that RattyDog is to be distrusted in this regard.  RattyDog, if you wish to be taken seriously, you would do well to persuade others (from this forum) in person of your beliefs, and have them post here in support of your position.  Failing that, you might wish to consider ceasing your whining.  All it achieves is to make the rest of us all the more keen to go and support Ivy's free enterprise.

[RattyDog]

Like the great majority of the folks who may read this, I know nothing whatsoever about the circumstances underlying this venom or the background to the claims which are being made here.  However, based on my direct knowledge of and respect and trust for several of the folks who post here, I am forced to the conclusion that RattyDog is to be distrusted in this regard.  RattyDog, if you wish to be taken seriously, you would do well to persuade others (from this forum) in person of your beliefs, and have them post here in support of your position.  Failing that, you might wish to consider ceasing your whining.  All it achieves is to make the rest of us all the more keen to go and support Ivy's free enterprise.

The majority of the people reading this know much more about this than you do, sir. With all due respect. Really.

[MaineShark]

The majority of the people reading this know much more about this than you do, sir. With all due respect. Really.

Funny how you're the only one posting this nonsense, among that majority.

Sounds like the majority, who know so much more, are not of your opinion, eh?

Joe

[Dave Ridley]

I dont' know a ton about ivy but they say you are supposed to believe what you see, not what you hear.   so far what I've seen myself is ivy trying to *give* me two things, first some surplus stuff of hers to sell on ebay, second she tried to give me a new unwrapped cell phone when she heard about my phone issues.  She handed it to me in fact.  I declined the latter, but the thought was appreciated.  I've left equipment around her from time to time and none of it has ever disappeared.

Certainly it's good to be cautious with allegations swirling around.  certainly ratty is considered a reliable activist and I consider her a friend.  No we do not all agree with everything ivy does.   but it probably would not be appropriate if I failed to point out my own relevant experience to date.

[9thmoon]

... and she makes hte FSP look like crapola...

She makes the FSP look like crap.  She makes the FSP look like crap.  Sorry, as an outside observer with no axes to grind, here, this just made me laugh my ass off.  Your posts are hysterical, and I mean that in the dictionary definition way - they reek of hysteria.
Thank you for the entertainment. 

[RattyDog]

Dave:

You are a good and kind man and I count you among my friends for certain, in fact, your post above is one of the reasons I care so much for you, you are nothing if not honest and fair.

My intentions here are not to win a popularity contest...I know I'm not doing that. I may even lose the respect of people I admire....but the information I have does not come from a gossip mill, it comes directly from the sources, the people who have been hurt. I have received confirmation of the facts to do with her situation with her landlords, from the courts, the landlords, etc...it's all confirmed. I wouldn't stick my neck out for information I hadn't confirmed. My day of satisfaction will be the day she is locked up, until then, my purpose in all of this is to prevent further damage.

I know many people will say, "oh, drama, I don't want that" and may even think poorly of me...but maybe, maybe it will prevent them from becoming a future victim of hers. One thing is for certain....this has to stop.

You know me, you know I am kind, that I am a good person....review the language I've used in speaking about Ivy...I respect that you cannot judge a person based on my word alone...but I also know that you know I don't treat people like trash, like I am treating her.

What could have inspired such passionate hate in me against this woman?? Ask yourself.

Big hugs to you, you are a person I miss any time I think of you!! I hope you are well.

[RattyDog]

... and she makes hte FSP look like crapola...

She makes the FSP look like crap.  She makes the FSP look like crap.  Sorry, as an outside observer with no axes to grind, here, this just made me laugh my ass off.  Your posts are hysterical, and I mean that in the dictionary definition way - they reek of hysteria.
Thank you for the entertainment. 

I don't go around telling people I'm with the FSP and then con them out of money and valuables. Sorry, but sh makes hte FSP look like CRAP.

[MaineShark]

I don't go around telling people I'm with the FSP and then con them out of money and valuables. Sorry, but sh makes hte FSP look like CRAP.

I'm only aware of one claim of stolen valuables, which related to a ring... which the owner misplaced, and later found.

Any other claims?

Joe

[J’raxis 270145]

First off, I'll chime in and say that I also have never had anything stolen by Ivy. Hopefully anyone else who's been around Bill & Ivy, or had them in their home, will also chime in similarly.



Natalie:—

So we've finally got down to actual, meaningful, specific allegations, after repeated posts containing broad, unfalsifiable accusations, followed by multiple refusals to provide anything that would allow them to be meaningfully refuted. Now we finally have concrete allegations—yet presented as hearsay, with no evidence, no specific claimants, and still wrapped in a caveat that there's some sort of ongoing investigation, which comes off yet again as sounding like just another attempt to justify further evasiveness.

And between all of this you spew endless vitriol and nonstop criticisms of Ivy's personal behavior, which makes you come off sounding like some kind of stuck-up prude with a personal vendetta.

And then you put on ignore the first person to refute your latest allegations.

This is not the way to go about making any sort of rational-sounding case, Natalie.



I'm not going to go into a point-by-point refutation of all the specific allegations you're now presenting: First, because Joe already did so, and second, because most of what I know about these incidents are just what I heard from Bill & Ivy, or others, so I can't speak authoritatively on it.

But I do know, first-hand, that the restaurant was a complete dump when she rented it, and they spent thousands of dollars on labor and materials getting the place cleaned up. A handful of freestaters, including myself, did all the work on the place. When the landlord sued to evict her, she counter-sued with a bill for all the renovations we'd done. That sounds entirely reasonable to me.

They most certainly do still live at the Landing Zone in Grafton; the last time I was up there, about a month ago, they were still receiving mail there and all their stuff was still there.

That list was just a printout of her cell phone's address book. I don't remember seeing it having locations on it, only phone numbers. Considering that the cops also had access to the cell phone itself after they arrested her, that they had the list is meaningless and redundant.



As for your theory about her being some sort of informant, what you seem to have here is a whole bunch of disparate data points, all of which could be explained by one overarching explanation (that she's being protected by the Feds), or each point could be explained by an independent, and far more benign, explanation. Admittedly, one single explanation is more elegant than a lot of little explanations, but that doesn't mean it's a more probable explanation. And, you're drawing positive conclusions based on negative data: The absence of an explanation cannot, in and of itself, serve as evidence for an alternative explanation.

You've basically fallen into the two classic traps that so many conspiracy theories are built on.

Do you have any hard evidence, at all, of any of this? Interestingly, the most obviously damning evidence that could be offered—that she has coöperated with the Feds on "more than one occasion"—you completely failed to elaborate on.



I'm friends with Ivy and I've defended her against most of this claptrap because the vast, vast majority of it centered around her personal habits and preferences, her romantic partners, and so forth, which are nobody's damn business but her own. Everything I hear sounds like the nattering of prudes and busybodies, so I dismiss it out-of-hand. True or not, it's not something any free-minded individual cares about.

But if you have actual, serious allegations of actual crimes of aggression—theft and fraud—let's hear it. Get it all out in the open on the forum. Get these people who've made accusations to come forward publicly, here, so we can deal with this, and everyone can make their own judgments.

I won't defend someone's behavior if it's actual, proven aggression.

However—if there's some sort of pending criminal investigation, sorry, I won't support that. I won't help with that at all. Your intimations that the end result of this purported investigation is going to land Ivy in jail actually makes me want to defend her even if she is guilty of some sort of aggression—locking someone in a cage at their victims' (and your, and my, and every other taxpayers') expense isn't exactly the proper solution for aggression.

So, let's hear it. All of it.

[joeyforpresident]

While I respect the anonymity a forum brings, as well as "sources" for newspaper articles, I am anticipating these "criminal allegations" appearing alongside RattyDog's real name, address, phone number, etc., etc.

After all, Ivy has a right to face not one, but two accusers.