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Author Topic: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene  (Read 15966 times)

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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2009, 11:38 AM NHFT »

hmm.

I don't want to be arrested for not standing :(

ridley seems pretty sure he's going to be an inmate. I would bet against it, especially if the turnout is good.
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Dave Ridley

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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2009, 11:48 AM NHFT »


something that just ocurred to me, which i forgot to suggest in the note to the court...

i can always pan down while aiming at the crowd, so as to show no faces.   i may do that if there are uninvolved parties in the audience at the relevant moments.
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2009, 12:39 PM NHFT »


something that just ocurred to me, which i forgot to suggest in the note to the court...

i can always pan down while aiming at the crowd, so as to show no faces.   i may do that if there are uninvolved parties in the audience at the relevant moments.


Or just show their backs not faces...
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2009, 12:55 PM NHFT »

I know that audience panning is not the subject of Dave's disobedience, but Keene Sentinel writers sit in the courtroom and take people's names down. There is no expectation or right to privacy in the courtroom.

I don't supportbreaking the audience rule for the sake of breaking it, but bending over backwards to follow it doesn't make sense either if you're expecting to be arrested anyway.
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2009, 04:03 PM NHFT »

Is anyone able to print this out for me and hand it to me on march 3 before the Carroll arraignment?

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Dear folks at Keene District Court:

Now that you've seized me, or are perhaps about to seize me, for attempting to videotape with relative freedom in your courtroom, I'd like to explain what I am and am not willing to do by way of cooperating.

It would likely be an ethical breach for me to pay you a fine, or any fine imposed against a constructive act.   I'd be directly underwritting aggression, which you would commit against others. So I can't help you there.   

I'm willing to go to jail, but cannot request that you send me there, as that would be a request to hurt taxpayers.  Also, for what it is worth, there are some questions I would refuse to answer in jail.

I'm not willing to agree to any suspended sentence, as that would require making promises I can't keep.   Suspended sentences require, if I'm not mistaken, a pledge to follow all five million words of NH law.  I cannot even begin to understand all these laws and thus cannot in good conscience promise to follow the.   I can't post bail, as that would require similar ethical breaches.

But as always, there are constructive solutions available.

I'm willing to perform community service, so long as it is more or less liberty friendly.  I'd like to perform as much of it as practical near Keene.  However I live in Manchester and spend some time in Seabrook...so the best option would appear to be an accepted type of service which can be performed anywhere in the state.  My thought would be for me to contact two or three organizations that have adopted state highways in New Hampshire....perhaps one in Keene, one in Manchester, one near the coast...  I'd be happy to perform litter pickups for each of them, on their stretch of "your" highway.

Thus everyone, even you who represent the state, benefit in some way from this attempt at "constructive disobedience."   If even the penalty is constructive, then we all win.

Yours,


Dave Ridley
Manchester
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2009, 12:37 AM NHFT »

The suspended sentence in my case did not involve a pledge.  It was to be revoked upon conviction of a misdemeanor, felony, or major motor vehicle violation.
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2009, 09:40 AM NHFT »

Is anyone able to print this out for me and hand it to me on march 3 before the Carroll arraignment?

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Dear folks at Keene District Court:

Now that you've seized me, or are perhaps about to seize me, for attempting to videotape with relative freedom in your courtroom, I'd like to explain what I am and am not willing to do by way of cooperating.

It would likely be an ethical breach for me to pay you a fine, or any fine imposed against a constructive act.   I'd be directly underwritting aggression, which you would commit against others. So I can't help you there.  

I'm willing to go to jail, but cannot request that you send me there, as that would be a request to hurt taxpayers.  Also, for what it is worth, there are some questions I would refuse to answer in jail.

I'm not willing to agree to any suspended sentence, as that would require making promises I can't keep.   Suspended sentences require, if I'm not mistaken, a pledge to follow all five million words of NH law.  I cannot even begin to understand all these laws and thus cannot in good conscience promise to follow the.   I can't post bail, as that would require similar ethical breaches.

But as always, there are constructive solutions available.

I'm willing to perform community service, so long as it is more or less liberty friendly.  I'd like to perform as much of it as practical near Keene.  However I live in Manchester and spend some time in Seabrook...so the best option would appear to be an accepted type of service which can be performed anywhere in the state.  My thought would be for me to contact two or three organizations that have adopted state highways in New Hampshire....perhaps one in Keene, one in Manchester, one near the coast...  I'd be happy to perform litter pickups for each of them, on their stretch of "your" highway.

Thus everyone, even you who represent the state, benefit in some way from this attempt at "constructive disobedience."   If even the penalty is constructive, then we all win.

Yours,


Dave Ridley
Manchester


I've printed it and will bring it to you, but perhaps others should as well in case we don't meet up in time (or I forget it!).
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2009, 12:29 PM NHFT »

Are people meeting up anywhere beforehand?
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2009, 01:18 PM NHFT »

Are people meeting up anywhere beforehand?

It would be a good idea.  I'll offer my apartment. 
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2009, 02:19 PM NHFT »

Usually it's downstairs in the city building or at a nearby downtown establishment, though the apt. may work...
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2009, 03:13 PM NHFT »

...though the apt. may work...

That's just silly goose. We'll meet in the normal location of the city hall porch or downstairs lobby.

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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2009, 04:55 PM NHFT »

then if anyone is late ... you just head in anyways
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2009, 06:11 PM NHFT »

Usually it's downstairs in the city building or at a nearby downtown establishment, though the apt. may work...

My apartment's where all those signs are.  Are we going to carry them outside the courthouse first, then dump them in the back of somebody's van--or what?
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2009, 07:41 PM NHFT »

I plan to be at the courthouse no later than 8:00, possibly earlier, though i want to be in the courtroom about 8:15 or so. 
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Re: Court-cam civil dis set for March 3 Keene
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2009, 08:31 PM NHFT »

would be nice if folks can make it by 8
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