Free State Rally for HCR 6 on Yahoo! news

[Kat Kanning]

one of the Monitor editors was so confused that he thought the rally was OPPOSING the US Constitution.

I can see how he'd think that....since the bill said it would nullify the US Constitution (which would also dissolve the Union, BTW).

[Ryan McGuire]

It was also disturbing that some people were yelling/chanting stuff like "we will fight".

Although I firmly support what I feel is the intent of HCR6, I detested most of the rhetoric that surrounded HCR6 that day.

Some of the shouts I heard:

• "No king obama!"  -- Yea, right, as if the type of person to shout out that would ever be caught dead shouting "no king bush"
• Remember in november! -- You think the republicans are going to give a crap about you once they get elected and become drunk with power again?
• "Uncle, Uncle!" -- What are you doing? Begging?
  
• "We will fight!" -- this is the same kind of mindless, violent, sheeple-creating crap that got us in the situation we're in!

I can't stand the chanting. It's mindless brainwashing group-think, plain and simple. I won't participate. And unfortunately it makes me far less likely to want to go back to one of these events. I'm an individual, I think for myself, and I most certainly will not beg for my rights,

The majority of the people I saw talking there (the crowd, not the speakers) wanted to have a "revolution" and that they were going to recreate the federal government, and then they all stuck their hands in the air with the shape of a gun. In all seriousness, we do not need a revolution, that would be repeating the same mistake over again. We need to evolve, we need to be talking about free markets, we need to be talking about voluntary interactions, and most importantly of all we need to be talking about peaceful ways to do it.

[Kat Kanning]

The "uncle" thing was just plain weird. 

[Jim Johnson]

It was also disturbing that some people were yelling/chanting stuff like "we will fight".

Although I firmly support what I feel is the intent of HCR6, I detested most of the rhetoric that surrounded HCR6 that day.

Some of the shouts I heard:

• "No king obama!"  -- Yea, right, as if the type of person to shout out that would ever be caught dead shouting "no king bush"
• Remember in november! -- You think the republicans are going to give a crap about you once they get elected and become drunk with power again?
• "Unckle, Unckle!" -- What are you doing? Begging?
  
• "We will fight!" -- this is the same kind of mindless, violent, sheeple-creating crap that got us in the situation we're in!

I can't stand the chanting. It's mindless brainwashing group-think, plain and simple. I won't participate. And unfortunately it makes me far less likely to want to go back to one of these events. I'm an individual, I think for myself, and I most certainly will not beg for my rights,

The majority of the people I saw talking there (the crowd, not the speakers) wanted to have a "revolution" and that they were going to recreate the federal government, and then they all stuck their hands in the air with the shape of a gun. In all seriousness, we do not need a revolution, that would be repeating the same mistake over again. We need to evolve, we need to be talking about free markets, we need to be talking about voluntary interactions, and most importantly of all we need to be talking about peaceful ways to do it.

+1

My thoughts too.

[Porcupine_in_MA]

I started chanting "No Kings!" "No Kings!" when everyone else was chanting "No King Obama". It took a couple of folk next to me off guard and laughed. It was interesting.

[PattyLee loves dogs]

We need to evolve, we need to be talking about free markets, we need to be talking about voluntary interactions, and most importantly of all we need to be talking about peaceful ways to do it.

+1. And we need to be talking in the media.

[TackleTheWorld]

Can you do me a favor?  Just give me one moment of frank evaluation before you go on, one moment of honesty between you and your feelings.  Then you can go on with your life. 

Were you creeped-out by the chanting?  Did the hair rise on the back of your neck when people got pushy when the vote failed?  Did you get the urge to scrub your hands vigorously after shaking hands with politicians?  Did you find the revengeful and violent rally emotions just a little disturbing?   Don't push down those feelings just yet.  Bring them into the light for a second. 

Now, you know what you felt.  Maybe there was a reason for it.  Perhaps, just perhaps, those feelings are telling you the truth.  It is rude to push people out of your way.  It is inciting conformity to chant in unison.  It is hypocritical to say you'll do one thing then act against it. 

Are these slimy politicians the people you want to trust your future to?  Are those mindless partisans the ones you want to work with?   Do you want those rude bullies to babysit your children? 

No?
Then continue to live your life in the peaceful, honest way you usually do, and forget about having to compromise with evil.  You don't have to compromise, You don't have to ruin your life and future and children.  Just live as an admirable person would.  I'm sure you already do in 99.9% of your life. 

[Tom Sawyer]

Can you do me a favor?  Just give me one moment of frank evaluation before you go on, one moment of honesty between you and your feelings.  Then you can go on with your life. 

Were you creeped-out by the chanting?  Did the hair rise on the back of your neck when people got pushy when the vote failed?  Did you get the urge to scrub your hands vigorously after shaking hands with politicians?  Did you find the revengeful and violent rally emotions just a little disturbing?   Don't push down those feelings just yet.  Bring them into the light for a second. 

Now, you know what you felt.  Maybe there was a reason for it.  Perhaps, just perhaps, those feelings are telling you the truth.  It is rude to push people out of your way.  It is inciting conformity to chant in unison.  It is hypocritical to say you'll do one thing then act against it. 

Are these slimy politicians the people you want to trust your future to?  Are those mindless partisans the ones you want to work with?   Do you want those rude bullies to babysit your children? 

No?
Then continue to live your life in the peaceful, honest way you usually do, and forget about having to compromise with evil.  You don't have to compromise, You don't have to ruin your life and future and children.  Just live as an admirable person would.  I'm sure you already do in 99.9% of your life. 

Well stated...

[Sam A. Robrin]

The "uncle" thing was just plain weird. 

Even during the days of the Vietnam protests, I disliked chanting, so I refused to participate.  It occurred to me that, rather than "Uncle!," they could have been chanting "Uncool" . . .

[dalebert]

It occurred to me that, rather than "Uncle!," they could have been chanting "Uncool" . . .

That's what it sounded like to me. I even mentioned that to someone standing next to me. I think it was Miller.

[Russell Kanning]

so you guys all had the same reaction?

[Sam A. Robrin]

so you guys all had the same reaction?

Yes, but we didn't chant it!

[Coconut]

Were you creeped-out by the chanting? 

Only a little.

Did the hair rise on the back of your neck when people got pushy when the vote failed?

I guess I didn't get pushed. But the fact that people booed and yelled, especially if it's something that doesn't happen often, showed the reps there that there is a group of NH activists that are on the verge of giving up on system solutions.

Did you get the urge to scrub your hands vigorously after shaking hands with politicians?

Didn't touch any.

Did you find the revengeful and violent rally emotions just a little disturbing?

It's what happens when you push angry people around and don't listen to them. Is it their own fault for getting their hopes up that the reps will do the right thing? Probably, but maybe that negative emotion toward reps will turn into a spark to seek other solutions.

While I am an individual, like you say, nobody can win this fight alone. Is 200 people doing the same thing bad? It is if those 200 people are only willing to spin their wheels, but I wish we had 20 people "conforming" to one activist event here in Keene. They know they're outnumbered here, and must be afraid of the moment we realize it too.

[AntonLee]

I'll admit I definitely chanted, "live free or die". . . at least for a while. . .and then I saw the people chanting about Obama and then the Uncle thing (when I turned to someone asking what it was that they were chanting)

Doesn't it mean that you give up when you say "Uncle"?   I didn't get that, so I didn't say anything.  I still have some things to shake out. . . no doubt. . . but I did participate, and I most likely won't again.  I blame the Red Sox. . . year after year of chanting that the Yankees Suck to make ourselves feel bigger than we were.

I heard someone say "see you in November" and it sounds tough, but honestly what will it do?  I heard one lady screaming and screaming.  I think I was the first one out of the gallery, I was angry, I really wanted it to pass.  I didn't really see anyone shoving anyone. . . nor did I happen to notice the first people down the stairs.  I didn't recognize a lot of the 'veterans' group that were hanging around outside directly after.  I saw Itsa come out of the Gallery saying "you can't do this, you can't do that you're only discrediting us"

I said out loud that the "us" didn't seem like free staters, but those conservatives.  I'd bet money that the liberty loving people weren't the ones to push their way out either.  I'm a fat man, and I made it out of the gallery without touching anyone. . .a feat unto itself.  Of course I made it out just to hear the Revolution amendment be read in the hallway, and be lectured by some guy that I should keep hope alive and write to my representatives.

what a bag of douche, I was disgusted, I DID feel dirty, I felt betrayed. . .and really I shouldn't have been at all surprised, it's the political process at work.  I can't say I'd want to go into that building again.

[KBCraig]

one of the Monitor editors was so confused that he thought the rally was OPPOSING the US Constitution.

I can see how he'd think that....since the bill said it would nullify the US Constitution (which would also dissolve the Union, BTW).

The bill said that if the feds cross certain lines (in addition to those they've already crossed), then it is they who have nullified the Constitution, and the states are no longer bound by it either.