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shooting in gun free zone in IL

Started by djbridgeland, March 08, 2009, 05:50 PM NHFT

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djbridgeland


doobie

Probably the shooter would have been shot after the pastor at the others wouldn't have been stabbed. 

Ogre

This story simply cannot be true. The story reports that the alleged shooter didn't have a firearm id for IL. Since the only reason to have those is to keep track of who has guns, there's just no way that this guy could have had a gun. They clearly have the wrong guy, no matter what the witnesses say.

thinkliberty

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How does someone sneak a gun in to a gun free zone? Do they have metal detectors like at an airport to check everyone that goes in?

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: thinkliberty on March 08, 2009, 10:18 PM NHFT
How does someone sneak a gun in to a gun free zone? Do they have metal detectors like at an airport to check everyone that goes in?

Most "gun-free zones" are established by legislative fiat, not physical security. For example, in many States, entire college campuses are gun-free zones. The Feds claim that a zone with a 1000' radius around public schools is gun-free.

KBCraig

Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on March 08, 2009, 10:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: thinkliberty on March 08, 2009, 10:18 PM NHFT
How does someone sneak a gun in to a gun free zone? Do they have metal detectors like at an airport to check everyone that goes in?

Most "gun-free zones" are established by legislative fiat, not physical security. For example, in many States, entire college campuses are gun-free zones. The Feds claim that a zone with a 1000' radius around public schools is gun-free.

And by way of reference, the entire state of Illinois is a legislatively-decreed "gun free zone", one of only two states (Wisconsin is the other), where there is no legal way for ordinary citizens to carry handguns.

(Hawaii and Maryland are also de facto "gun free", but they do have the mechanism in place, even though they deny it.)

djbridgeland

Quote from: KBCraig on March 09, 2009, 03:34 AM NHFT
Quote from: J'raxis 270145 on March 08, 2009, 10:29 PM NHFT
Quote from: thinkliberty on March 08, 2009, 10:18 PM NHFT
How does someone sneak a gun in to a gun free zone? Do they have metal detectors like at an airport to check everyone that goes in?

Most "gun-free zones" are established by legislative fiat, not physical security. For example, in many States, entire college campuses are gun-free zones. The Feds claim that a zone with a 1000' radius around public schools is gun-free.



And by way of reference, the entire state of Illinois is a legislatively-decreed "gun free zone", one of only two states (Wisconsin is the other), where there is no legal way for ordinary citizens to carry handguns.

(Hawaii and Maryland are also de facto "gun free", but they do have the mechanism in place, even though they deny it.)



Actually I believe Wisconsin allows open carry to the extent that NH does, but they do not allow concealed carry or issue CCW's.  Now I imagine if you tried to open carry you would probably be stared at, and probably detained by the police.

KBCraig

Quote from: djbridgeland on March 09, 2009, 08:42 AM NHFT
Actually I believe Wisconsin allows open carry to the extent that NH does, but they do not allow concealed carry or issue CCW's.  Now I imagine if you tried to open carry you would probably be stared at, and probably detained by the police.

True, WI is technically an unlicensed open carry state. Their state supreme court has ruled that open carry cannot be restricted since concealed carry is banned and there is no licensing provision. But, it's a sure bet for arrest on a bogus charge (dropped after you've spent money on lawyers) if you actually practice it.

There was a case that was just cleared up less than a month ago, where Brad Krause of West Allis was OCing while planting a tree in his own (fenced) yard. A neighbor saw him and called police, who responded with guns pointed at him, and charged him with disorderly conduct. It went to trial, and he was acquitted by the judge.

Pat McCotter

CT does the same for OC folks. There is no law against OC in CT but the cops will arrest on disorderly conduct if you do - even if you have a "State Permit to Carry Pistols and Revolvers".