Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

[shyfrog]

So the average police officer is NO different than a Nazi officer who was gassing millions due to their ethnicity? Seriously?

Again...it's not the atrocities we focus on, but the system in place to allow such atrocities to happen. The systems and means to get to that result are pretty well known and documented through the ages. The signs and tokens pointing to the cause are apparent and undeniable to those who have not been taken in by propaganda or apathy. Apathy is what the system counts on to continue its forward movement toward control and domination.

As long as you remain unaffected by the system or just outside it's violence, you have nothing to worry about. No really...go on living your life. Those people who get run over by the machine...yeah, they're deserving of it. As long as it isn't you. You've got nothing to hide...you follow ALL the rules. You're safe. Secure. Sleep. mmmmmmmm

[BillKauffman]

Argue amongst yourselves with this stuff.

You never made an argument against "free market, poly-centric law" in all of your posts.
BTW - I am on your side.

[Keyser Soce]

People who blindly follow orders to people who blindly follow orders.
People who think "I'm just doing my job" is good excuse to people who think "I'm just doing my job" is a good excuse.
People who don't take personal responsibility for their actions to people who don't take personal responsibility for their actions.

yes, it's also how the armed services work

A great model of the world I don't want to live in.

To jump from politics directly to Auschwitz is high drama and ridiculous.

There's no jump from

"People who blindly follow orders to people who blindly follow orders. People who think 'I'm just doing my job' is good excuse to people who think 'I'm just doing my job' is a good excuse. People who don't take personal responsibility for their actions to people who don't take personal responsibility for their actions."

Apples to apples doll, apples to apples.

So the average police officer is NO different than a Nazi officer who was gassing millions due to their ethnicity? Seriously? There isn't *any* levels of degrees between the two? Or is the massive jump between the two brought up to point of nauseousness on this BB due to the drama-like impact?

For most of them, the only difference is that they haven't been ordered to do that yet. They do however already kidnap, imprison and torture people on a daily basis using the enforcement of immoral laws as an imperative.

Because comparing the police and politicians to Nazis means that all of you making the comparison are comparable to the Jews.

Not necessarily, it could make us communists or trade unionists but it definitely begs the question, 'Will you wait until they come for you to do anything'. I mean, it was illegal to form a union and be a communist. It was the will of that majority you're so fond of.

    "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;

    And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;

    And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;

    And then... they came for Misty... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
- Martin Niemöller

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Misty: Don't look at the wiki link. Instead, read They Thought They Were Free by Milton Mayer.

p.s. Do you think you're free? Yes? Read the book!

Or do some of you REALLY think you're in the same exact type of situation? If so...I do feel for you but there are meds for paranoid thoughts out there these days.

There are also plenty of meds for those who want to escape/ ignore reality and just be happy happy every day. Incidentally, they happen to be quite popular. Cymbalta, Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft etc

Ms. Misty, Do you think it was acceptable for the nazis to kill jews?

Obviously not.

Doesn't seem obvious to him or he wouldn't have asked. You could clear up the issue for good by answering the following questions.

A) Hitler came to power through the support of the majority.

Do you or don't you believe that majority rule is moral?

B) The atrocities committed were legal in Germany.

Do you or don't you believe that something is moral because it's the law?

C) The soldiers and police there were just following orders and doing their jobs.

Do you or do you not believe that individuals are solely responsible to determine the morality of their actions and to be accountable for any damages they cause?

My previously asked but unanswered questions;

D) Are there any laws which you believe are immoral? Do you abide by them anyways?

[KBCraig]

People who blindly follow orders to people who blindly follow orders.
People who think "I'm just doing my job" is good excuse to people who think "I'm just doing my job" is a good excuse.
People who don't take personal responsibility for their actions to people who don't take personal responsibility for their actions.

yes, it's also how the armed services work and plenty of other things work. To jump from politics directly to Auschwitz is high drama and ridiculous.

So the average police officer is NO different than a Nazi officer who was gassing millions due to their ethnicity? Seriously?

If your average police officer blindly follows orders, never questions the legal or moral authority of what he's doing, then he's doing exactly what the Auschwitz guard was doing: "just doing his job". The end result, whether it's healthy horses or dead people, is not the point. The point, once again, is blind unquestioning obedience.

You said this is "how the armed services work", which leads me to believe you've never been in a military branch. From my experience (almost ten years of active and reserve duty), I can tell you that while there might be a culture of following orders, the reality is that the soldier carrying out orders is constantly questioning them. Even Snuffy Slicksleeve learns pretty quickly that blind obedience can get you either: A) killed by stupid orders; or, B) killed by a firing squad for having obeyed illegal orders.

[LordBaltimore]

If your average police officer blindly follows orders, never questions the legal or moral authority of what he's doing, then he's doing exactly what the Auschwitz guard was doing: "just doing his job".

Don't you work as a guard in a federal prison?

[KBCraig]

If your average police officer blindly follows orders, never questions the legal or moral authority of what he's doing, then he's doing exactly what the Auschwitz guard was doing: "just doing his job".

Don't you work as a guard in a federal prison?

Yes. I also don't blindly follow orders.

[stanford]

I just got back from court with great news for Heidi.

The prosecutor dropped all of the horse abuse charges. Dropped. Gone. Like they never happened. She (the prosecutor) even read into the record that Heidi is a conscientious horse owner who just had a temporary setback. This is the prosecutor saying this. She stopped just short of admitting they shouldn't have acted so forcefully when they did. Sounds like vindication to me.

So the misdemeanor charges are dropped. Fines, too.

In addition to the nullified misdemeanor charges, there were some charges for "inadequate shelter", which is a violation. Much like a parking ticket or speeding ticket. They dropped all but two of those charges, so they would have something to force her to pay some of the vet bills the town incurred when they had the horses for a couple weeks.

Those two violations will go away in a year as well.

That's great news for Heidi, of course. And now I think it would be appropriate for all of the people who have trashed her on these boards to apologize. It takes a person of good moral character to admit when she is wrong. Let's see what happens.

So I'm celebrating this by buying the next round of beer. At Taproom next Tuesday. See you there!

[dalebert]

Excellent news, Brian!

[Kat Kanning]

I'm glad that's Heidi's not going to jail 

[Pat K]

  Great news Brian.

[41mag]

Are they returning the horses?

[KBCraig]

I just got back from court with great news for Heidi.

The prosecutor dropped all of the horse abuse charges. Dropped. Gone. Like they never happened. She (the prosecutor) even read into the record that Heidi is a conscientious horse owner who just had a temporary setback. This is the prosecutor saying this. She stopped just short of admitting they shouldn't have acted so forcefully when they did. Sounds like vindication to me.

Well, now. That's just a little bit different from what someone was gloating on Facebook, about Heidi "pleading guilty to animal abuse", isn't it?

[Fluff and Stuff]

Good work.  That animal shelter law is a horrible law, anyway.

[Jim Johnson]

I called this guy...
Candia PD:  Chief Michael McGillen 603-483-2318

and this guy...
Stephen Sprowl
603-772-2921 ext. 111

they don't seem to want to talk to me.

I want to know how they will modify themselves and their treatment of others in the light of their prosecutors apology.

[Friday]

I just got back from court with great news for Heidi.

The prosecutor dropped all of the horse abuse charges. Dropped. Gone. Like they never happened. She (the prosecutor) even read into the record that Heidi is a conscientious horse owner who just had a temporary setback. This is the prosecutor saying this. She stopped just short of admitting they shouldn't have acted so forcefully when they did. Sounds like vindication to me.

Well, now. That's just a little bit different from what someone was gloating on Facebook, about Heidi "pleading guilty to animal abuse", isn't it?

You mean when Beth posted a photo of the letter from the state informing her that Heidi pled guilty?