Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

[BillKauffman]

You do realize that animal rights activists are being targeted by the same government you abhor has "economic terrorists"?

That's an apt description of them. Just because they're enemies of the government, doesn't mean they're my allies. I don't support the government attacking them, either, but in this case they're using the power of the government to steal other people's property.

Sounds like "economic terrorism" to me.

Who is the "they" you are referring to in "this case"?

[leetninja]

MIT eh...well now I can understand the attitude....not smart enough to go big time so you have a permanent chip on your shoulder. And a convenient knack for nipple twisting anything anyone has to say.

And the word is "meet", not meat. Your MIT education should have taken care of your vocabulary.....I see not....

So lets see, in keeping with your train of thought. These horses are considered property, so they are also considered evidence. So you tell me when the last time someone went haphazardly posting evidence photos on the net, prior to a court date?

As for video, not only did Wonder Boy Brian post video, but some of his "buds" showing the shelters being built. Because building the shelters wasn't an admission to not having ENOUGH shelters, yes? And then the newspaper posted video of three young horses - and the guy who has them has the balls to let everyone know that he does. If it was me, they wouldn't have a clue where those horses were at until they (unfortunately) got sent back to the Travis'.

So, smart ass, there is your video. Pictures, I'm sure, will be provided at court. If you're so worried about it, show up.

I never defended Heidi - again, because apparently you have comprehension problems, when someone said that she was being melodramatic and screaming, I said I could see how any HUMAN would respond that way, during a time of stress.

And I DID address every single one of your twisted, mindless questions. But since I'm fighting with someone who has a sub par social intelligence level, I could see how you'd have problems comprehending the written word. Book smarts do not equal social smarts - which is why at least 3/4 of you are members here.

Gee, I'm so sorry I made an error with a word.  It does happen every once in a while.   I did your favorite thing in the world to do, and used the EDIT button to fix it.  Really though ... that is all you have?  So basically the answer that you come up with is to try and assault me and insult me in any way you see fit ... again?  Evidently you really hate being called out on your own hypocrisy. 

Since you seem to be so focused on education, what exactly do you mean by "not smart enough to go big time" are you trying to say that MIT is not a good school?  If you are insulting MIT I guess it shows just how pathetic and miserable you are.  Should we start a thread now about who has a better education, makes more money, and who knows bigger/better people based on that point system previously mentioned!?  You know nothing about me but you continue to attempt to insult me.  I take solace knowing that you wouldnt say any of this to me in daily life but you have a big mouth on the forums.  You are a perfect example of ignorance.

Oh I like that you admit that the horses are property - so you must agree that they were STOLEN from the owners yes? 

And the video that was taken during the stealing doesnt really count for much other than showing thugs breaking the law in order to uphold/serve the "law."  I and everyone else have been asking for proof of these "Level 1" horses.  The horses on the news were NOT anywhere near "Level 1." 

As for haphazardly posting things,  you seem have no problem with the three horses being shown on TV aren't those evidence?  You seem to say a lot of things that could be considered evidence in part of an "ongoing investigation" but you still say whatever comes to your pea brain and then fall on that crutch when you are called out on what you say.  Funny that you have yet to PROVE any of what you say is true.  You just spew a bunch more of your verbal diarrhea and insult whoever you can.  You post for someone else and mention that horses were dead yet you again have NO PROOF of what you claim.  Please Amanda - provide some so we can all see how wrong we are.  Seriously.  Post proof.

Until then, and pardon my "french"; Kindly have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP.  Thanks!

on a personal note.  I cant stand people like you.  I wont engage you by insulting you or giving you what you want for a reaction.  I'm sure you will fall back on spewing lies, twisting truth, being angry that i captured your words before you edited them away, and attempting to insult everyone and their education. 

[Me]

Perhaps Brian or Heidi could address these?

Information sent to me yesterday. Author wants to remain anonymous.

*****

    * She continually took short cuts to save time money.  The grain got less and less and the hay quality went down.  The round bales she bought were moldy.  Pens and fencing were never adequate fixed, just tied up with bale twine.

    * Junk and farm equipment laying around everywhere, in places where horses were turned out, fencing laying on the ground, horses constantly getting hurt.

    * The horses were over crowded, and fighting because there were too many and since she started free feeding them round bales there was constant fighting over food, more injuries.  With horses, there is a pecking order...the ones at the bottom of that order were underweight because they couldn't get enough to eat.

    * Heidi knowingly sold her friend a violent mare and lied about her origin stating she bought her off some farmer and tried to rehabilitate her.  All along this mare was a horse Heidi bred and this horse severely injured the girl that bought her.

    * Heidi constantly changed feed regimens.  One mare that came in for breading was a colic prone mare that needed very specific care and Heidi was aware of that.  But she chose to ignore what the owner asked of her stating that it was nonsense and the mare was getting way too much food, so she did what she felt was best in here mind.  Unfortunately that mare severely colic and died. 

    * Heidi then acquired a gray stallion, he was very high maintenance as most stallions are.  I watched this stallion go from a healthy robust weight when he arrived at the farm, to severely underweight within a very short amount of time. 

Heidi still has 4 horses in Colorado, one of which is a pregnant mare that she didn't know was pregnant and doesn't know who the sire is.  She apparently left these 4 horses at her farm in Colorado, under the care of someone living in her house.  One young gelding has a horrendous leg injury that doesn't look properly cared for.  I do question whether these 4 horses or any of the horses she took to New Hampshire have the proper paperwork. 

Heidi is fully aware of the laws regarding health certificates and Coggins tests.  In Colorado there are also branding laws, which state all horses must be brand inspected as proof of ownership.  The law also states that you are not allowed to transport a horse over 75 miles without a travel card.  I'm told that she is planning to transport these 4 horses to NH at some point.  I would be very surprised if she could produce coggins, health certificates and brand inspections for these or any of her horses that she did already move. 

One filly was under litigation and Heidi was legally denied a brand inspection on her or her dam, so she knowingly transported them against the court order.

[coffeeseven]

I hear an axe being ground.

[Keyser Soce]

If they had nothing to hide, then why didn't they just let the guy come on the property

Seriously?? I'll be right over to search your personal belongings. You've got nothing to hide right?

[leetninja]

Perhaps Brian or Heidi could address these?

Information sent to me yesterday. Author wants to remain anonymous.

*****

    * She continually took short cuts to save time money.  The grain got less and less and the hay quality went down.  The round bales she bought were moldy.  Pens and fencing were never adequate fixed, just tied up with bale twine.

    * Junk and farm equipment laying around everywhere, in places where horses were turned out, fencing laying on the ground, horses constantly getting hurt.

    * The horses were over crowded, and fighting because there were too many and since she started free feeding them round bales there was constant fighting over food, more injuries.  With horses, there is a pecking order...the ones at the bottom of that order were underweight because they couldn't get enough to eat.

    * Heidi knowingly sold her friend a violent mare and lied about her origin stating she bought her off some farmer and tried to rehabilitate her.  All along this mare was a horse Heidi bred and this horse severely injured the girl that bought her.

    * Heidi constantly changed feed regimens.  One mare that came in for breading was a colic prone mare that needed very specific care and Heidi was aware of that.  But she chose to ignore what the owner asked of her stating that it was nonsense and the mare was getting way too much food, so she did what she felt was best in here mind.  Unfortunately that mare severely colic and died. 

    * Heidi then acquired a gray stallion, he was very high maintenance as most stallions are.  I watched this stallion go from a healthy robust weight when he arrived at the farm, to severely underweight within a very short amount of time. 

Heidi still has 4 horses in Colorado, one of which is a pregnant mare that she didn't know was pregnant and doesn't know who the sire is.  She apparently left these 4 horses at her farm in Colorado, under the care of someone living in her house.  One young gelding has a horrendous leg injury that doesn't look properly cared for.  I do question whether these 4 horses or any of the horses she took to New Hampshire have the proper paperwork. 

Heidi is fully aware of the laws regarding health certificates and Coggins tests.  In Colorado there are also branding laws, which state all horses must be brand inspected as proof of ownership.  The law also states that you are not allowed to transport a horse over 75 miles without a travel card.  I'm told that she is planning to transport these 4 horses to NH at some point.  I would be very surprised if she could produce coggins, health certificates and brand inspections for these or any of her horses that she did already move. 

One filly was under litigation and Heidi was legally denied a brand inspection on her or her dam, so she knowingly transported them against the court order.

perhaps you missed my entire post Amanda ...

to recap:

You seem to say a lot of things that could be considered evidence in part of an "ongoing investigation" but you still say whatever comes to your pea brain and then fall on that crutch when you are called out on what you say. Funny that you have yet to PROVE any of what you say is true.  You just spew a bunch more of your verbal diarrhea and insult whoever you can.  You post for someone else and mention that horses were dead yet you again have NO PROOF of what you claim.  Please Amanda - provide some so we can all see how wrong we are.  Seriously.  Post proof.

Until then, and pardon my "french"; Kindly have a nice tall glass of SHUT THE FUCK UP.  Thanks!


Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof?  Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof? Where is your proof?

[KBCraig]

Information sent to me yesterday. Author wants to remain anonymous.

Without a reliable source, it doesn't matter how scurrilous the charges: it's as meaningless as the rest of the horse forum gossip.

[Pat K]

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/

[Me]

Photo and video proof will be provided in court.

If you doubt the authenticity of it, ask Brian and Heidi about the points in the information provided.

[D Stewart]

The law also states that you are not allowed to transport a horse over 75 miles without a travel card.

And there I was thinking that horses were designed to transport you over 75 miles.

Silly me.

Thank goodness there's a law to explain to me that the purposes of horses does not include transportation.

[Keyser Soce]

FACT.. they were at a level 1 when they were pick up [sic]...

Really?  If I understand correctly, this is what level 1 looks like.  I haven't seen anything like this in the news accounts.  I've been to the Travis' place and not seen anything like this.  Why haven't those of us following the story been blasted by such disturbing images?  I think Joe Leblanc's FACTS are sometimes lies.

Jonathan Ray

+1

The horses which are currently at their property look fine. I guess they accidentally forgot to feed half the livestock while feeding the other half twice?

[Moebius Tripp]

Way Out West, we have *lots* of horses.  Generally, if someone reports a horse owner to the local Animal Control, the owner gets a visit and treatment is discussed, if warranted.  Then the owner is allowed a certain period to correct any problems.  If the problems persist, then the animals are taken, but it usually takes quite a bit of time, and fairly blatant neglect.  Isn't there some form of due process in these cases in NH?  From what I've read and seen in the pictures/video of this incident, no escalation occurred, it's as if the Travises were declared guilty beforehand on the word of a single vet.  As I understand it, the very vet that Heidi(?) hired to treat an injury.  Is this normal practice for all NH vets?  The (very competent) vets that I know and work with would, if they saw and recognized a problem at a client's location, address the problem with the owner(s) before bringing in any gov't agencies, and then only if there were no other means of redress...

Horses, much like people, go through periods of thick and thin (generally level 3-7 on that nifty Hencke scale).  Smells kinda hinky to me.  And I knows my hinky.  I'm covered in hinky every working day.

[J Leblanc]

Stop using the same picture to score horses.After researching several scoring sites, the horse I see here is a score of 0 .. After reading these sites I am even more convinced the vet score of a 1 is accurate..Still some people wil only believe what they want to believe Take the dame blinders off

[leetninja]

Stop using the same picture to score horses.After researching several scoring sites, the horse I see here is a score of 0 .. After reading these sites I am even more convinced the vet score of a 1 is accurate..Still some people wil only believe what they want to believe Take the dame blinders off

wasnt it you and amanda that told us all to use the scale and gave the links out?  Now you are complaining that we did?  really?!  REALLY!?!?!?!

Come on!!!  Get real!  I'm sorry but you can not attempt to tell me that the horses you have, that were taken from the Travis' are and/or were "level one" or anywhere near it...

[J Leblanc]

I did not direct anyone to any links. must have been some one else .. search for your self and see what you find