Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

[Sam A. Robrin]

But just to be on the safe side, I think I'd watch my horses . . .

To be on the safe side you would watch your horses?  Who are you directing this at??  Is that a threat?? 

I dont like the sounds of that..at ALL.

Yes, I am sure you are all wondering why I havent been posting my 2 cents on this whole topic either here, or on COTH (or other horsey sites) there is a reason, and I am sure the party involved is happy that I have been keeping my mouth shut.

Its that type of comments that make the non-free state ppl a little wacky about us free staters, I have been putting much effort into getting the horse community (which outnumbers the FSPers greatly!) interested in the free state project, and the NHLA (as there are many agriculture bills that need reading) and these comments are not helping one bit, I can totally see why ppl call us the FREAK STATERS. 

Please correct me if I am wrong about the gist of your comment Sam. 

Ok, im going to go back to keeping my mouth shut now.

Former caretaker/employee of Castle Wood Farm,
Current caretaker/employee of Rockin' Horse Ranch
Beth

I don't know you, so I'll try to keep this down to Vitriol Lite.  I'm fully cognizant of the tactic of pretending to believe a comment is a threat, so as to justify your own offensive actions, and I imagine that's what you're up to here.  That explanation makes a lot more sense than any other I could devise for your "misunderstanding" such an obvious remark.
     So, in words even a public school student could understand: "J Leblanc" left angry.  His reputation for cooperating with known horse thieves (their badges don't change the nature of their actions) has been established.  An angry person with just such a reputation could be predicted to behave in a certain way.  So, if I had any horses (which I don't), I'd want to watch them pretty carefully against the likelihood of the prediction.
     Hearing that the "horse community" wants nothing to do with Free Staters is every bit as heartbreaking as learning that your mother-in-law can't accompany you on your honeymoon . . .  From all I've observed, they behave like members of some second-string high-school clique who've grown older, but not up.  Considering the nature of the source, an insult from them qualifies as a compliment.
     I wanted to make this reply a personal message to you alone, as you should have done.  The entire forum shouldn't have to be brought in on it.  But having been (deliberately?) mischaracterized in public as having made a threat, particularly where people of such demonstrable vituperation would see it, you left me no choice but to respond as visibly.  If you have any further responses (and I hope you don't), please have the courtesy and sense to make them private. 

[mackler]

Leblanc's posts typify the reasons I don't want to send my child to government school.

Not a fan of the "Nigerian bank scam" style of punctuation, are you?

[AntonLee]

Leblanc's posts typify the reasons I don't want to send my child to government school.

Not a fan of the "Nigerian bank scam" style of punctuation, are you?

glad someone got it =O)

[AntonLee]

shame on us, we band of freakstaters.  . . . for putting personal property above broad brush government guidelines. 

[Russell Kanning]

ok bye ... maybe we will see you again, maybe we won't.

But just to be on the safe side, I think I'd watch my horses . . .

was he one of the horse stealers?

[Tom Sawyer]

Yes ,I was there that morning to legally remove the horses that I was directed to by the Candia police per the three vets direction..When I was approached with the camera I looked right at it .I was not ashamed nor do I believe anyone else was.If people were hanging there head it was from the snow and cold.I for one put animals above people, people have choices, animals have none. My plates were not covered and I also had my Rockin Horse Ranch jacket on.From what I understand, Brain Knew who I was.

[Russell Kanning]

To be on the safe side you would watch your horses?  Who are you directing this at??  Is that a threat?? 
Its that type of comments that make the non-free state ppl a little wacky about us free staters,

I don't know how that would be a threat.
I also think that horse people are crazier than us crazy freestaters.
Us poor folk in Wyoming never did like those rich horse owners moving in from California.

[Tom Sawyer]

I've been thinking about this whole situation...
Every morning that I drive down our road, I see my neighbor's horses. They have been outside all winter, they have no shelter other than a tarp as a windbreak.

You see the neighbors who have the horses, don't have a lot of money and early in the winter as they were building a shelter for them the frame they were constructing got damaged, blown down and broken. At least two veterinarians that I am aware of drive by and can see the conditions the horses live in. An wonder of wonders, no one has called in the police and caused these people to suffer the loss of their animals or the cost of defending themselves against abuse charges.

I have been thinking about the family that made the journey across the country and arrived in the fall to NH. The farm that they moved to wasn't a turn key situation, didn't have big fancy barns and things that someone who has been established for a longer period of time has. Not soon after arriving in NH, some "concerned citizen" instead of welcoming them to NH secretly called the authorities on the new people.

Apparently a certain xenophobic, not very neighborly attitude exists among many in the horse community. "I mean they drove their horses here in a school bus for godsake, not like us established horse people with our 50 grand truck and trailer... our 100 grand barn and all the other impressive accessories that us "real" horse breeders have, well we don't think they belong in our exclusive club.'

[coffeeseven]

ok bye ... maybe we will see you again, maybe we won't.

But just to be on the safe side, I think I'd watch my horses . . .

was he one of the horse stealers?

His post where he admits he volunteered his farm is gone. The next sentence after that as I recall was that the police were just doing "a job".

[leetninja]

i just got an email from someone saying they are joe leblanc ... and a number to call ... i dont know if i should ...

does anyone have interest in going to his farm with me if this really is him?  i would want someone with me but im not going to argue, engage, harass, etc if it happens i would like a eaceful visit maybe even some discussion with him ...

is this even a good idea?

[beth]

i just got an email from someone saying they are joe leblanc ... and a number to call ... i dont know if i should ...

does anyone have interest in going to his farm with me if this really is him?  i would want someone with me but im not going to argue, engage, harass, etc if it happens i would like a eaceful visit maybe even some discussion with him ...

is this even a good idea?

Yes LeetNinja, that really is Joe, I am not sure the offer even stands, as you didnt get back to him as promptly as he wanted, but if you want to do it, i suggest calling him, and setting up an appointment. 

The horses are thriving in our care, gaining weight nicely, they are playing, and find great joy in playing in the fresh wood shaving that I put in their stall every day, so cute to see them covered in fluffy shavings, rather than SHIT.  I volunteer many hours after my work is done, spending time with them giving them treats, playing with them, picking up their feet, getting them use to being handled, scratching them all over, and they really enjoy the attention.  Funny how we keep "veal" these days (shame on you brian, these baby horses have more room in the veal pen than they did in your back yard..shame, shame, you even said it yourself the Ritz Carlton of horse barns compared to your place.)

I am about fed up with reading ALL the forums on this horse mess.  Everyone pointing fingers as to who is right, and who is wrong, we will never agree, so lets just leave it at that.  I seem to have gotten hell for not speaking on the matter, and I am sure i will get hell for speaking on the matter.

As for Joe, He is doing what he thinks is right, and he puts the animals first, thats more than most people do.  This is his cause, you may not like it, and that is ok, just like we all have our own cause to stand up for, and fight, may it be liberty, may it be the care of horses..I sent him here to see the other side of things, I encouraged him to watch daves videos, he really does like the FSP, he agrees with lots of things that we have talked about, and he even lets me carry on his property, which is pretty cool.  I am just ashamed as to how he was greeted here, yeah, some of his posts were "strong" and yes he used the word asshole a bunch of time, but some of us are assholes, lol!  I think i scored points somewhere for getting a non computer person to sit down at a computer, and attempt to type! (haha sorry joe!) 

If you would like to see the horses, I can ask Joe to arrange a tour, (with joes permission,) send me a PM, and lets work something out, since some of you need proof of skinny horses, heck, maybe you can volunteer some time, and help me feed the horses, or help me groom them, as its spring, and they are finally starting to show signs of shedding.  If you show up without an appointment, that wont go over well, as I have time at certain parts of the day, and it is private property.  I promise it will be peaceful, I will be there, and never show up to a horse barn without carrots, or apples! 

As for where I stand on this whole thing, I am on the side of the horses, I care for horses, I have been around horses my whole life, I come from generations of horse breeders, and owners, horses are in my blood, yes I was that brat as a kid who got a pony for a gift, but my parents sacrificed soo much for me to have my horses.  I finally have my OWN horse now, and trust me, lots of sweat and tears go into the ownership of a horse (or any pet for that matter), now I dont have a big fancy truck and trailer, my truck is a 1988 F150, I pay to have my horse transported places, my tack and equipment is well used, but cared for, I barter with my horse training and lesson teaching to tack, or sell things on ebay, or consign my old riding clothes that I have outgrown, etc. Basically, if you own a horse, it doesnt mean you are rich, as I type this from the trailer I live in, lol!!! 

It seems to be a lost cause, turning into one anyways, on my idea of getting the NH Horse folk interested in local politics, I only helped to get about 400 horse ppl at the statehouse a few months ago...I do thank the ppl who were posting on the horse sites, who have now stopped, I think they understood how they were being received, compared to me, as we are all free staters, I was winning them over, and it still is a battle.  It was embarrassing to me, to get all the emails all basically saying that if the fspers aka freak staters had anything to do with the nhla, that they didnt want to support it anymore..I was heart broken, and emailed all of them begging them to stay, and get involved, I think just a few are still interested, and maybe a select few are doing stuff with the colation of nh taxpayers (cnht).

Just a few of my 2 cents. 

Beth
(of the clan Beth & Dan, also founding member of the C GANG, for those of you who dont know me, and hello to those who do!  )

[coffeeseven]

I'm FOR the welfare of the horses. HOWEVER when government steps in and kills a mosquito with a Mack truck we all feel it. This could have been and should have been handled in house. Instead it's the no bend two-strike rule. Now neighbor is against neighbor and everyone's panties are in a bunch. We don't seem to be getting any smarter about working together but we sure are getting used to government handling all of our "problems" for us again and again and again. There's no end to it if we keep letting the tether out.

[stanford]

Beth, I can see that you are interested in horses. That's what attracted me to you. I hired you last summer to care for Heidi's horses. You are the caretaker, as you mentioned in the video where Cooper was arrested for not allowing the government on the property. You built the fences and organized a work crew to build shelter for the horses. While Heidi was working full-time your job was to care for the horses on the farm.

At some point between then and now, the horses in your care were deemed by that government to have improper care, and they were seized by that government. The affidavit is still sealed, so I don't know who told the government that the horses were not properly cared for by their standards. As you know, the property is easily viewable from the street, and many people had an opportunity to evaluate the care of the horses according to whatever standards they held.

Now you are living rent-free in a trailer on my land and working for one of the people who are harboring Heidi's stolen property. What happened? Are you another horse person who thinks that it is acceptable for the government to take an animal when it doesn't meet their standard of care? Or are you, as a person who is dedicated to liberty, also incensed that the government has no right taking private property? You mention that you are glad to be caring for the babies at LeBlanc's farm. Those same babies have been here for you to care for since last summer. Did you have the same pleasure caring for them while they were here, in your care, before the government seized them?

I understand that things on the farm have been rather chaotic this winter with the heavy snows and the ice storm. That's why we hired a caretaker to live on the property and take care of these animals. A week after the seizure you quit and are now working for Joe LeBlanc, caring for the same horses that were here since last summer. Except now, Heidi has been charged with the crime of neglecting horses that were under your care.

[AntonLee]

VERRRRRRRY interesting.  VERRRRY interesting.

and. . .why would I volunteer to help someone who stole horses?  I'm not really sure why someone who believes in liberty would want to work for such a person.  Lots of people do things because they think they are right.  Sometimes, they aren't doing the right thing.

I hope someday humans have just as much rights as horses.

I think it's a bit funny how a caretaker would complain about their horses not being taken care of well.  I also think it's funny when people put the welfare of an animal before the welfare of their fellow human being. 

I'm off to the pig pen, I heard there's shit on the ground so I have to call the popo in to bust some heads and steal some swine!  (sarcasm)

[J Leblanc]

I'm back and I'm pissed.If Brian thinks for one sec. ,that I was going to let him try to turn the blame on Beth.Well buddy ,you've got another thing comming...Beth only could work with the tools she was given ..She use to buy real horses grain until your wife cheaped out and started giving her that brewers grain crap..For those of you that don't know, brewers grain is grain used for beer..It is boiled to a point that all the nutrients is sucked out of it.Ive got to stop here .I think it is time for this whole mess to be exposed but I'm not sure how I want to do it.There is about to be a very loud thud across the free state group and the horse community ..In Arnold's words ...I'll be back!!!...hey look what I found !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!