Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

[MaineShark]

Brian, do you believe all the bullshit that comes out of your own mouth.I have seen the emails from you and your wife .YOU NEED HELP.iF you go into a court room with this crap your going to look like a fool.If your attorney has a clue, he probably will tell you to cut a deal and run. When he gets ahold of your emails he's going to be pissed..Maybe we can post those next..Your better off keeping quite

I assume you will be testifying in court, too?

Why don't you tell them your little theory on how the ants are going to take over the world?

I'm sure they'll love that one...

Wow! I didn't realize offering somebody something because I thought they might be able to use or appreciate it was implying that they couldn't fend for themselves. I hope I haven't insulted anyone through the years by giving them some tomatoes, or strawberries, or such. I guess I better more careful with my excess garden produce next year and only give it to soup kitchens. Am I supposed to feel insulted because my cousin gave me some sand this year for my icy driveway? Or that my landlord offered me his excess mulch that has converted to compost under his tarp for my garden?

Yeah.  I'm sorry for insulting folks by offering them free pallets.  That was obviously very cruel of me.

Same goes for the free plants I offered last year.

Joe

[MistyBlue]

Brian, I am not related to Beth nor have I ever even met her. As I stated before...google me. My screen name is well used on a variety of places online. Check wildlife, equine related, firearms related, self defense related...bunch of places. I'm quite easily found via google, including my full name, location and even family tree. You'll see I am not related to Beth at all.

And there's an enormous difference between buying something on sale and getting a free donation of horse feed right after getting your horses back from being confiscated for not feeding them. At least there is to me...maybe not others on here. Call me odd I guess, but when people I don't know personally offer me free stuff because they think I cannot care for my animals otherwise...and if I can indeed afford to care for my own animals (which I would not own them if I couldn't...it's called being responsible) then I graciously thank them profusely and help them find a person or venue who really needs that free stuff a lot more than I do. I prefer to help those who truly need it before benefitting myself.

And Brian...again with the "I didn't know yet" theory? You're own words...captured online...state that's false. You knew a whole bunch of stuff and were happily repeating that over and over all over online. Got you a lot of attention too. Unfortunately it's now biting you in the tuckus. And you contradicted so much stuff I'd need too long to retype it all. From your *own* words stating one thing and then changing the story every time new evidence pops up.

And if nobody is reading my posts...what's with all the quoting of it and replies to direct comments I make? Or the e-mails I've received? And why does your karma go almost as low as mine every time it's pointed out exactly what you've said and then how you've contradicted it trying to pass off blame?

Maineshark, you're just a ball of joy aren't you. 
I cannot see how taking a free donation of something you do not need when you know others need it more than you is in any way comparable to taking help from the SPCA. And BTW...the SPCA does not offer help at the point of a thug-held gun. Had Brian or Heidi simply gone to them FIRST before they ever even contacted them, the SPCA would have helped them. For free. Not at gunpoint...but by request from the animal owners.

And no, I am not independently wealthy. I work my arse off for what I have, as does my spouse. And I donate heavily...time and whatever income we can. And if we're capable of working or bartering...and since we have built up a healthy circle of friends...it's true we rarely have to ask for anything. And if we do not NEED something and it's offered free...we have enough pride to not take it and we have enough compassion to make sure whatever it is gets to whomever needs it most. It's being part of a productive community.

NJLiberty...when the SPCA gives out services and items...it's stuff that was freely donated and not taken from someone else. It's a tad odd seeing how some folks on here will saddle up the drama llamas and go soooo completely off on a tangent in order to attempt to support their opinions.

Maybe this will be more clear:
*SPCA gives out donated items...nothing they stole or took by force
*SPCA helps people for free without use of force or violence or even the government IF the people ask first
*Comparing giving away free garden veggies or wood pallets to taking an animal welfare donation if you do not need it is depriving someone else who actually needs it of much needed help and resources does not make sense. 

[MaineShark]

Maineshark, you're just a ball of joy aren't you. 
I cannot see how taking a free donation of something you do not need when you know others need it more than you is in any way comparable to taking help from the SPCA. And BTW...the SPCA does not offer help at the point of a thug-held gun. Had Brian or Heidi simply gone to them FIRST before they ever even contacted them, the SPCA would have helped them. For free. Not at gunpoint...but by request from the animal owners.

Odd.  Since Sprowl showed up making threats, immediately.  Not offering help.  He showed up and made threats.  Why would he do that if they are in the business of offering help, first?

And no, I am not independently wealthy. I work my arse off for what I have, as does my spouse. And I donate heavily...time and whatever income we can. And if we're capable of working or bartering...and since we have built up a healthy circle of friends...it's true we rarely have to ask for anything. And if we do not NEED something and it's offered free...we have enough pride to not take it and we have enough compassion to make sure whatever it is gets to whomever needs it most. It's being part of a productive community.

You do realize that I don't believe a word of that, right?  The word of thugs and their accomplices is worth nothing.  And your entire way of phrasing things speaks of someone who has never struggled for anything, or ever considered any idea that did not match her prejudices exactly.

*Comparing giving away free garden veggies or wood pallets to taking an animal welfare donation if you do not need it is depriving someone else who actually needs it of much needed help and resources does not make sense.

Um, those were plastic pallets, not wood.  Not that I would expect you to speak truthfully about anything.  It's the mark of a compulsive liar when they make things up just "because" (ie, when it doesn't even vaguely matter to the fraud they are trying to perpetrate).

Joe

[Friday]

The reason I asked Beth to find homes for some of the horses was because the caretaker wasn't taking care of the horses, and Heidi had to take up the slack.

Pathetic.   

It sure is. You hire someone you trust to take care of your property, and you end up doing the work yourself.

It was probably clear to most readers what my intent was, but just to be crystal clear... I was saying that it's pathetic to blame your animal cruelty and subsequent troubles with the law on Beth.  Not to mention evicting Dan just because you're mad at Beth and he's her partner.  Shame on you!   

Beth wasn't "evicted" from my property because she wasn't renting from me. I asked her boyfriend to remove the trailer from my property.

Beth, I don't know you that well, and Dan, I've only spoken with you once (at the Travis property, donating my hard labor and a perfectly good hammer (which I never got back) to building horse fences!), but I imagine it was very inconvenient and expensive having to relocate your trailer on short notice with all your personal effects in it.  If you need a short-term loan to help make ends meet, let me know; I trust that you'll pay it back when you can.

[MaineShark]

It was probably clear to most readers what my intent was, but just to be crystal clear... I was saying that it's pathetic to blame your animal cruelty and subsequent troubles with the law on Beth.

Yeah, just because she called the cops and instigated those "troubles with the law," that's a silly reason to blame her!  LMAO!

Joe

[beth]

So I'd have to assume if they accepted 2000 lbs of free grain, they cannot afford thier own horses.

I asked Heidi about the free grain and blankets Beth mentioned in the article, and she can't think of when that might have occurred. I know that Heidi would never turn down anything free. She grew up Lutheran.

We'd like to know when and from whom this mysterious donation offer came from.

"Rebecca", I know you are just trying to look out for your sister Beth, but your responses are really getting ridiculous. You came on to this forum long before I found out that Beth was the one who called the government.

Brian
I assure you she is NOT my sister.  If my sister posts, she has nothing to hide, and will use her real name.  I have never met Misty in person, only have seen her on other horse forums that I am on, and I believe she might be a tad too old to be my sis? 

As for the grain and blanket donation, remember the nice girl who came and knocked on your door, and you sent her to talk to me?  about 5'5, brown pulled back hair, jeans, white and black winter coat, (not going to mention her name, but it begins with an E.) she spoke with me, told me she volunteers at the rescue where you signed over 3 of the horses to, she gave me her phone number, and asked for me to give it to you, she said quite clearly, she had blankets, and grain for donation for you, as she saw some of the horses from the street without blankets on.  I sent you the email, which you responded to, you ignored the part about the donation, as there was other things to talk about in it.  Im looking at the email now.  I sent you her phone number.  Shall I send the email again so you can call her and ask her for the grain now?

That is all I am responding to, since you asked where that came from. 

[MistyBlue]

You know I really don't appreciate being called a liar. I guess because I called Brian one with proof of his lies then you feel that's the mature response back? I haven't accused you of anything...founded or unfounded...out of maturity and respect. I'd appreciate the same mature respect in return. Or is this how you treat anyone who provides another side to situations if you don't tend to agree with them? Devolve into name calling and accusations?  

If you continue to accuse me of lying...then please point out what you think I am lying about.

Sprowl did not show up immediately. In Brian's OWN words...he had already been contacted by another ACO and told the same things. Fact unless Brian is lying.

Had Brian or Heidi gone to their own local SPCA or ACO, they would have been directed as to how to get help and supplies for their horses. They did not do that. Fact.

The SPCA can not give help if people do not ask for it. Fact.

The SPCA can not give help to people telling everyone that there is nothing wrong with their horses and they don't need anything...Brian's words not mine. Fact.

Two different animal officers told him ahead of time what exactly was needed to care for their horses according to law and according to keeping them healthy....Brian's words, not mine. They ignored both and didn't do what was suggested. Fact.

I can continue for probably half the night with facts right from Brian and Heidi's own words...not mine and not made up. So it isn't me who's lying here.

And now my way of phrasing things makes me a liar or means I never struggled for anything? Am I the only one shaking my head here at this ridiculous statement? Not that my private life is ANY of your business...but my mother raised 6 kids on her own with a tiny income working in a machine shop. I didn't finish highschool...went to work instead. We grew our own vegetables and raised and processed our own meat...because grocery stores weren't affordable. I was a single mother for a while working 3 jobs without support. I am now married, 3 daughters, a career working physically harder than many to most people (farm work is a bit different than inside work). I'm no different than anyone else and certainly am not wealthy and have struggled on and off like anyone else.

I am not lying when I said wood pallets...I assumed wood pallets. I live and work on a FARM...we use wood pallets. I didn't even know they made plastic ones. That isn't lying nor does it make me a compulsive liar. I have edited posts in this thread...to add paragrapg spacers because someone politely suggested that for ease of reading. I keep forgetting to do that as I type and sometimes go back and add them as an edit. I have not changed statements or facts. I am sure your moderators here could let you know the same thing.

Maineshark...if the best debating you're capable of is calling me a liar...without reason other than you can't seem to make a point otherwise...then maybe I should just stop debating with you.

[MistyBlue]

Brian, Beth is not lying. We are not related, never met and probably only spoke in the same threads online on horse BBs maybe a handful of times ever. I only "know" her from reading her posts online on a BB I've been a member of for almost 10 years.

However..I'm not *that* old.        I'm 40...I don't know how old Beth is.

[beth]

woops!  you are not that old, im 27, and I got to say, I can tell by reading what and how you write, you are more eloquent in your online language than my sister ever could be!  I wouldnt put it past my sister, to curse more, and have silly spelling mistakes in a fit of online rage!  For some reason, she is more Irish than I! 

Do yourself a favor Brian, and compare the sentences, language, and general flow of Mistys posts, to my sisters email that you read.  Its NOT her. 

I think it maybe time for my sister to post.  Ohhhh Sissy!!!!  Are you all ready?  Buckle your seat belts, if and when she posts, its going to be a wild ride, as she knows many details, and has seen the conditions first hand, she has the same breed of horses, and she is brutally honest.   

I cant make my sister post, but here is her official invite, have at 'em!!     

-beth

[MaineShark]

You know I really don't appreciate being called a liar.

You should probably stop lying, then.

I haven't accused you of anything...founded or unfounded...out of maturity and respect. I'd appreciate the same mature respect in return. Or is this how you treat anyone who provides another side to situations if you don't tend to agree with them? Devolve into name calling and accusations?  

Asserting that someone is a liar, while quoting that individual lying, is not "name calling."  It's just applying correct labels.

Sprowl did not show up immediately. In Brian's OWN words...he had already been contacted by another ACO and told the same things. Fact unless Brian is lying.

Another ACO.  Not Sprowl.  When Sprowl showed up, he immediately started making threats.  He's on video, doing it.

And now my way of phrasing things makes me a liar or means I never struggled for anything? Am I the only one shaking my head here at this ridiculous statement? Not that my private life is ANY of your business...but my mother raised 6 kids on her own with a tiny income working in a machine shop. I didn't finish highschool...went to work instead. We grew our own vegetables and raised and processed our own meat...because grocery stores weren't affordable. I was a single mother for a while working 3 jobs without support. I am now married, 3 daughters, a career working physically harder than many to most people (farm work is a bit different than inside work). I'm no different than anyone else and certainly am not wealthy and have struggled on and off like anyone else.

See, I have no reason to believe you.  You think that murdering people for their treatment of animals is acceptable behavior.  Why would I believe a word you say?

I am not lying when I said wood pallets...I assumed wood pallets. I live and work on a FARM...we use wood pallets. I didn't even know they made plastic ones.

I live and work on a farm.  We use plastic pallets.  Because they don't rot.  Most competent farmers do.  They're really quite common.  I can't imagine anyone working on a farm and not knowing that they make plastic pallets.  The only thing wood pallets are good for is fuel for fires.

That isn't lying nor does it make me a compulsive liar. I have edited posts in this thread...to add paragrapg spacers because someone politely suggested that for ease of reading. I keep forgetting to do that as I type and sometimes go back and add them as an edit. I have not changed statements or facts. I am sure your moderators here could let you know the same thing.

I don't need the moderators to tell me what you've posted.  There's a little feature of these forums where you can "subscribe" to a thread, and it will send you emails with updates to that thread.  I've seen posts you've made, then logged in and seen the content changed.  Not re-formatted... changed to different content.

Maineshark...if the best debating you're capable of is calling me a liar...without reason other than you can't seem to make a point otherwise...then maybe I should just stop debating with you.

You aren't debating with me.  You're just making assertions of the righteousness of violent response to people you dislike, and ignoring any ideas that don't agree 100% with your prejudices.

Here's a fact for you, and it's one of the only meaningful issues which can be determined factually: Brian and Heidi were attacked by armed men who were aided and abetted by Beth, and Brian and Heidi chose to take the "high road" and respond non-violently to that attack, rather than defending themselves, as they had every moral right to do so.  That's one of the few things we can actually determine, as it's not based upon hearsay, testimony from known liars like Beth (who has a prior history of making false claims of animal abuse against folks she dislikes), or magical super-secret horse-diagnosis super-powers.  The few actual, meaningful facts don't look well for your attempt to make Brian into a villain.

Joe

[MistyBlue]

I give up Joe...from now on pontificate away. I had no idea I was a liar because you've quoted me and because you think I somehow support murder of any sort for any reason. Which you *are* lying about, show me where I've ever stated that. ANYWHERE online.

As for changing content of my posts...nope, haven't done it in this thread. Corrected a few typos, added paragraph spacers. Did remove one line from a post about Deb The Convicted Horse Killer when she piped up looking for support here. Just thought I'd clue others in on HER habit of lying. I removed the one line because I typed it and then thought better of calling her something that wasn't appropriate to the thread. Other than that...no changes.

So I had no idea they make plastic pallets...that somehow makes me a poor farmer. Okay. I don't work with pallets except for the occasional delivery that comes on a pallet, where we remove pallet and return it...you don't work with horses I have yet to call you a liar or idiot for not knowing about horses.

So enjoy your one man show and self congratulatory back patting. I give up, it's like trying to talk sense to a fence post. 

[KBCraig]

Brian, Beth is not lying. We are not related, never met and probably only spoke in the same threads online on horse BBs maybe a handful of times ever. I only "know" her from reading her posts online on a BB I've been a member of for almost 10 years.

It's interesting that you continue to speak as if you're providing definitive first-hand knowledge about people you've never met and horses you've never seen on a farm you've never visited.

[KBCraig]

It was probably clear to most readers what my intent was, but just to be crystal clear... I was saying that it's pathetic to blame your animal cruelty and subsequent troubles with the law on Beth.

Yeah, just because she called the cops and instigated those "troubles with the law," that's a silly reason to blame her!  LMAO!

Beth and all Free-Staters should be familiar with this:

http://www.freestateproject.org/soi

I hereby state my solemn intent to move to the state of New Hampshire. Once there, I will exert the fullest practical effort toward the creation of a society in which the maximum role of civil government is the protection of life, liberty, and property.


I'm interested in hearing Beth explain how someone's life, liberty, and[or] property were in danger, which would justify government intervention.

I don't see that any of those standards were met... at least not until Beth called the police, and they threatened all of the above.

I recall Beth being very upset with an individual who broke his marriage oath. I wonder if she sees any conflict with how she broke her FSP oath.

[stanford]

As for the grain and blanket donation, remember the nice girl who came and knocked on your door, and you sent her to talk to me?  about 5'5, brown pulled back hair, jeans, white and black winter coat, (not going to mention her name, but it begins with an E.) she spoke with me, told me she volunteers at the rescue where you signed over 3 of the horses to, she gave me her phone number, and asked for me to give it to you, she said quite clearly, she had blankets, and grain for donation for you, as she saw some of the horses from the street without blankets on.  I sent you the email, which you responded to, you ignored the part about the donation, as there was other things to talk about in it.  Im looking at the email now.  I sent you her phone number.  Shall I send the email again so you can call her and ask her for the grain now?

That is all I am responding to, since you asked where that came from. 

Heidi did not turn down any offer of grain and blankets. Get your facts straight.

I turned that offer down. I knew that Live and Let Live Farm was having financial difficulties. She offered whatever grain she had. I told her I appreciated that offer very much but couldn't accept, knowing their financial situation. I offered the farm a $100 donation, which they turned down.

Besides, we had grain coming regularly from Manchester Brewing (buy more beer) and Heidi had plenty of blankets for her horses, if only the horses knew how to put them on.

Your quote in the newspaper said "offers", and "including grain and blankets". What were the others?

[MistyBlue]

It's interesting that you continue to speak as if you're providing definitive first-hand knowledge about people you've never met and horses you've never seen on a farm you've never visited.

Not so interesting really...there was *plenty* of videos online to see things. There were plenty of videos and articles that Brian was speaking on that gave me all the information I've posted here. The information has come from Brian and all of his online appearances. He was the one that was stating who came out, when they came out, what they've said. Unfortunately for them...much of it wasn't as recent as this year and apparently he's forgotten what he's said in the past. Or was hoping nobody else remembered or had search capabilities.

I haven't had to meet him or visit his place...he puts his life and business all out there for the world to see. One only has to google  the subject and his name. Or try googling Heidi's name and areas she's lived in. All the info I've posted has come from that.

I've also received a fair amount of e-mails from people who do know Brian and Heidi personally...apparently they've been reading what's been posted online and decided to contact me for whatever reason. Almost all of that stuff has not been complimentary of either at all. And a lot of it has nothing to do with the horses or this case...but other stuff as well. But if it's not in his words, I haven't posted it. If you think what I'm posting is lies...thank Brian and Heidi for that. Not me. It's their words, not mine. Not my fault if those words make them look contradictory.