Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

[George Donnelly]

I don't get it though. If all these accusations of neglect are true, why are they trying to return the horses to Ms Frederick?

Are these accusations true? or not?

[slim]

Apparently the video is on their website.

http://www.wmur.com/video/19023226/

[KBCraig]

I don't buy that the two horses shown (who are quite small) have gained 30 pounds in two weeks. They're skinny, but far from emaciated. If that's the worst they had to show, I'm not impressed with their evidence.

People who don't know anything about horses assume that if you can see ribs, it's about to starve to death, but that's not true. Wild horses are always that skinny, or worse.

But it also makes for a good way to poison public opinion about this case.

[D Stewart]

The horses looked tiny.  They certainly didn't look like race horses.

But what about this business about the worms?  I was under the impression that deworming agents should be a regular part of feeding?  Is that true, or is it typically something given in response to an observed problem, and if so how would one observe it / how long does it take to manifest?

[coffeeseven]

Which of these conditions require theft? Worms, feces, malnutrition or bite marks? Are all of these not treatable on the owner's farm? Is there no time given for remediation? Guess not.

[D Stewart]

Which of these conditions require theft? Worms, feces, malnutrition or bite marks? Are all of these not treatable on the owner's farm? Is there no time given for remediation? Guess not.

Well, I guess that's one way of avoiding my question.

I don't remember saying I supported government action.  I am curious about what would constitute reasonable care of the horses.

[coffeeseven]

Which of these conditions require theft? Worms, feces, malnutrition or bite marks? Are all of these not treatable on the owner's farm? Is there no time given for remediation? Guess not.

Well, I guess that's one way of avoiding my question.

I don't remember saying I supported government action.  I am curious about what would constitute reasonable care of the horses.

I wasn't avoiding answering your question. I was asking questions of my own.

[leetninja]

this will probably start the animals = property debate again lol

it is pretty endless ...

i dont think that those horses gained 30 pounds in such a short time.  i would also like to see proof of the worms.  maybe Mr. LeBlanc can provide that for everyone ...

[AntonLee]

The horses looked tiny.  They certainly didn't look like race horses.

But what about this business about the worms?  I was under the impression that deworming agents should be a regular part of feeding?  Is that true, or is it typically something given in response to an observed problem, and if so how would one observe it / how long does it take to manifest?

if the government wanted to say I had worms, I'm sure they could pull that off too.  Bottom line is that this isn't a welfare of the horses problem, it's a sad sack of shit SPCA bureaucrat with a vendetta problem.  

What is everyone in here a fucking horse expert?  As if the daily routines of taking care of a horse are anyone's concern.  Busy body people doing busy body things looking in people's yards and finding out how they can get one up on the 'weird new people' who moved in.

[shyfrog]

Busy body people doing busy body things looking in people's yards and finding out how they can get one up on the 'weird new people' who moved in.

Nail. Head. THUNK.

+eleventymillionandtwo

[George Donnelly]

All well and good, but I want to know the truth about this before I promote the case. I wouldn't take their horses and collaborate or pay for the taking of the horses and I would defend their right to keep the horses but before I go out and say, "hey, look at this case of tyranny here" I want to know the truth of the matter so I don't lose credibility.

If you're going to leverage an injustice into justice, you have to make sure the victim is very nearly pearly white clean in the matter, otherwise attempts to leverage it will backfire.

[coffeeseven]

If you're going to leverage an injustice into justice, you have to make sure the victim is very nearly pearly white clean in the matter, otherwise attempts to leverage it will backfire.

I'm living in a country founded by people that didn't pass the sniff test according to their masters. Are you sure you meant to word it that way?

[Peacemaker]

This is probably nothing usable as these people do what they want, but the other night, while listening to Brian on Free Talk Live, Brian mentioned that SPCA used the Front Page newspaper story as a Mailer for Fund Raising/Donations for Travis Family Horses' care.

It made me wish there was a way to track or get the SPCA to Account (take it off the Travis bill) for those specific Travis Horse donations they recieved.

[D Stewart]

Wow.  I just visited the nhspca.org page to take a look at this, and there was a link ( http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/state_legislation/state-legislation-list.html?state=new_hampshire ) to an organization that they support which in turn appears to have been behind a bunch of recent legislation.... 

INCLUDING THE GODDAMN horse license and neutering / PETA-ing of the fish and game commission.

I wonder how many contributors would be appalled to know to what ends their monies are going.

[PaulOtt]

I don't know anything about horses and how they normally look as far as thin and fat goes, but I found this:

http://equineprotectionnetwork.com/cruelty/henneke.htm

"...based on both visual appraisal and palpable fat cover of the six major points of the horse that are most responsive to changes in body fat. "