Brian Travis invaded by bureaucrats

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What you are calling a "first visit" was no visit, because he didn't get to inspect anything and there was nothing to warn them about.  He was INVITED to come back when the property owner was present, that is in the first video.  The owner was well within his rights to refuse access, and it was reasonable of him to want to be present during any inspection.   Why didn't Sprowl take him up on that offer?   Why did he wait all winter and then get a warrant, instead of accepting that invitation?   The actual visit number one, according to reports, was the one with the warrant.   Or DID he make a visit that hasn't been reported here?  

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nothing to hide? ... from people who do not seek to help you ... but only harm you?
I don't expect people to open up their homes to the enemy. That is very unusual behavior.

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Please remove the tinfoil hat.

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I heard that there was video available, if someone could point me to that i would appreciate it.

[J Leblanc]

I have been offered hay, grain, and shavings but haven't asked yet .At most I may receive some money for boarding but nothing for sure, with all the work these horse need I get nothing for it..The horse market is so bad that no one could make anything from a rescued horse and if these horse are awarded to the SPCA I believe the adoption fees for a horse is 150.00...now theres a money maker. As far as if these horse had stayed where they were, if they did not get the proper care right away ,yes they could have died.As far as the lie comment.I can be the biggest prick , but anyone who knows me ,knows I won't lie for anyone.If you don't like what I have to say tuff shit...I have had Steve from the SPCA come here after hearing a complaint , to chech things out and I let him see for him self .He made suggestions to improve conditions and I did what he asked .To refuse would have ment I was looking for trouble  or had something to hide..So ive been on both sides and I try to do the right thing..I also believe in the first video Steve was told he could not come on the property with out a warrant...Now wasn't that a smart thing to say.You asked for it and you got it ..I guess you should be careful what you ask for.This is not politics,, this is stupid. Also my spelling sucks,So tuff shit

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A reminder...

People just coming on to this forum for the first time in many cases have not had years of exposure to the non aggression principle...

Give them a little slack and they'll stay engaged until one of your ideas sticks. Snipe at them and they'll just wander off thinking we are all a bunch of angry blowhards.

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I have had Steve from the SPCA come here after hearing a complaint , to chech things out and I let him see for him self .He made suggestions to improve conditions and I did what he asked .To refuse would have ment I was looking for trouble  or had something to hide..So ive been on both sides and I try to do the right thing..I also believe in the first video Steve was told he could not come on the property with out a warrant...Now wasn't that a smart thing to say.You asked for it and you got it ..I guess you should be careful what you ask for.This is not politics,, this is stupid. Also my spelling sucks,So tuff shit

I realize you will reject this, but I don't think SPCA Steve was "making suggestions" nor "asking" you.  He has men with guns who will destroy your life if you don't do as he demands.  When a man with a gun makes demands of you are you "asking for it" if you refuse to follow his commands?

[J Leblanc]

Sorry if some of the comments I made were harsh .but some of the comments on here are bullshit,My intension was to state some facts and give the free staters info and also address comments made about me and my farm.. I do believe most of you have good intensions BUT.. when I see comments about us hanging our heads in shame during the raid or that we are keeping the horses in like veal or accussing me of lies .One, that was an invitation that your bloggers set out there and two,,sick of the bull .Ihave nothing to gain but to reach the people that want the truth.so sorry to most of you and screw the rest.

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Hi again Amanda or as you post here: "Me" 

Please let us all know why you defended Heidi and then turned on her suddenly?

Also, Joe, were there any pictures take of these horses when they were received?  Something that could prove that they were in fact "Level 1" horses?

I'm not being a jerk, if you read the posts I have posted in this thread you will see that I am not out to get anyone or take sides etc.  I am asking because I just want to know.

Thanks.

Amanda, these posts are all YOURS!  You DEFEND Heidi AND her reputation MORE THAN ONCE.  Now you are lurking here ... what gives ...

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One of the seized horses was purchased from us in December. We have known about this family for several years and they always came with good reviews from other breeders/owners. They have/had a serious show and breeding program with horses that have some good show titles.

Unfortunately, even though I am still the registered owner of the mare....I doubt I will be able to get her back because she is considered "evidence".

And I have no way of contacting the place she is at to let them know that she is Insulin Resistant and in need of a special diet....for all I know, if she's been on grain since Monday, she may well already be in bad trouble with founder. She was on the light side in December after coming off of weaning a very needy colt, it was also just the condition she generally kept herself in due to her body type, and due to past founder we did not allow her to get heavy. But she was not emaciated when she left us....of course, I do not know what condition she is in now. I did not find out about this until yesterday and it was through a chat site that I found out.

She is a 15.1H bay mare with a black mane and tail. She has roaning on the rear pasterns and heels and a roan spot just past her withers on her back. Her front feet toe in just ever so slightly and one hoof has a higher heel than the other. She has very VERY large eyes and her ears V out just a little. She has not registered white markings but this time of year it looks like she has a small white snip between her nostrils. She has a vaginal tear that is old and was left open (meaning that she does not have a caslicks in at this time) since she was not being re-bred in 08. She may, or may not, have had a green blanket with gold trim on as I sent her with that. Her name is BG Backflash. I have extensive photos from the day I bought her to last year. She also had a 2008 Coggins and Rabies certificate.

If ANYONE knows how to get in touch with the people who have her so that I can get them info on what she needs to eat and find out how I can get her back...please let me know!!!!

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Amanda - I am working on it. Another option is you to call Steve Sprowl of the NHSPCA and give them the info.


I wonder why she bought a horse from you, already having so many, when she had just moved from NH to CO having her CO place forclosed on.
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I'd contact the SPCA directly and inform them of the issues. And also contact the owners directly to see if that was one of the mares confiscated. Right now so many people are popping up asking for the location of the horses and the SPCA is the one to ask.
There are quite a few FSers posing as other people trying to find the locations and for the safety of the people fostering the horses it's best to go through the right channels.
There are Free Staters with the same name as mckulley...so to stay safe all around it's probably best to go through the legal channels to get the info out on the IR mare.
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Amanda- go to Arabian Breeders network - there are some other breeders that have been in contact with Heidi- you could PM them and get her contact info to find out if your horse was one siezed.
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Mckulley is the name of a long deceased yet very dear dog. It has nothing to do with an FS.... I'm not entirely sure what the org is all about but my guess would be that people should be VERY careful with their segregation tactics based on others personal beliefs.

*****

At any rate, my NUMBER ONE priority is to get info to who ever has BG so she can be fed properly. With in a few days of being on a non-carb safe feed she will start to founder. Hay doesn't seem to be an issue for her...but grain is a big one. And if she's just her typical light condition and they think it's due to lack of feed and use that against these folks, well that's just not fare. And then god forbid if they start shoving the food down her throat... I can't even think about it. But if she is in bad shape, and does need some help, they have to know how to go about doing it.

My NUMBER TWO priority is to find out if there is any way to get her back at some point. I understand that she is no longer "my property" as she was sold. But I am STILL the recorded owner....

My husband is a Police Officer and he is adamant that I do not get involved beyond trying to get information to whoever has her so they know how she can be fed and perhaps if there is some kind of list where I can put my name down to take her if they'll release her.

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Heidi wanted her because she had always wanted a Backstreet+ daughter. BG is one of his youngest daughters, the line is not a young one. She ALWAYS paid on time and the one time she got behind she caught right back up without any fuss.
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I should add that I fully well know that BG was one of the group that was taken. I saw the thread at SE.com that Laurie put up. I called Laurie, we talked, Thank God her colt was not in the group. So I called Heidi and she told me that BG was in the group that was taken.
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I PM'd 3OTTB with her exact needs and her quirks....I hope it gets to her foster parents.
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One would think that if Heidi cared at all about her horses that were being seized she would have told the animal control officers about this mare's special needs requirements. But gee, I guess they are just property, hu?
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I would guess that by the time they started taking horses, she probably was not in her right mind. There's not a person on this board that wouldn't be going bonkers if someone came to take their horses. Especially if you believe you're not in the wrong.
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I'm sorry, this is where my conversation ends. I mentioned this in my first post.

I NEED the foster owners to know of BG's needs.

And if it comes down to her being placed, well, I want to be the one she is placed with.

BG is my sole and only priority in this matter. But I can only do what I'm legally able to do.
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OTTB said she doesn't know where BG's at so just in case the foster people are here:

BG she needs a Carbohydrate safe feed such as Poulin Grain Carb Safe and PLAIN beet pulp. NO beet pulp with sugar! NO regular grain. NO oil. No sugar treats.

Usually she can have regular hay but if their hay is very rich they'll need to soak it in a barrel of water for one hour, drain water, and feed her the hay. They can't let the hay sit longer than an hour or it will re-absorb the sugar it put into the water. NO ALFALFA!

She can't be straight tied but she can be cross tied. You have to be careful rubbing her neck on the non-mane side because (she came to me this way) she shies terribly.

She's a 1991 mare. I have pictures if they aren't sure they have her.

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Arabhorse2, you have a BAD attitude. It's not needed in this already volatile situation.

And for the record, I'm not defending anyone. But I have full working knowledge of how the human mind and system works under times of extreme duress. So I can see why things may not have been said.
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Is there any legal documents on this CO case? I just don't understand why I wouldn't have heard of it....especially when I know other people with good reputations who sold horses to her who LIVE in CO.

Does anyone have this Steve persons phone number?
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Well Arabhorse2, FYI I did send her registration over to Heidi but Heidi has not transferred her into her name yet.

[edit] Excuse me for sitting up since Wednesday trying to figure out how I could have let this happen to a horse of mine.
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Look, if anyone has this Steve persons phone number, I'd be most appreciative to have it. PM would be great.

The ONLY reason why I posted on this forum was because I know how nosey and violent it can get here and figured it'd be the fastest way, after working hours, to get info out to who ever has this mare.

I don't need any bull crap from any anonymous poster here who thinks they know the answers to everything. YOU try having this situation on your shoulders with little more ability than to pass information around.

If BG needs a home, I'm here for her. If I can't do anything more than get info to the people who have her, then I'll have to live with that.
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MistyBlue,

I agree for the most part except.

You can't segregated someone due to their personal belief systems. Not to mention that this whole FS thing is entirely foreign to me and I only found out about it on Wed. It's not like they waive flags, have bumper stickers, or their skin color is different.

And as I've already mentioned, in my community, this person has a good reputation. I've known about her for going on four or five years now. Granted, I did not know her personally, but I knew people who did active business with her. And these were not small time people either.
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I was able to touch base with Steve P. Thank you 3OTTB, I was able to catch him on his cell. He had received an email with the specifics for her feeding and I sent him all of the photos I have of her so they could identify her.

Unfortunately, all I have currently is the fact I'm still her registered owner. But I'm not going to lie and say I own the mare when she was very validly paid for.

However, he knows that if this comes down to needing to find homes, that I will, with out a doubt, be available for BG.
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Thank you. Maybe if you could just post how she is after you see her? Or PM me privately?

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McKulley1- if the fosters do not know, I will ensure they do tomorrow.I have an IR horse so I know the signs well, I will check up on her!
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Does anyone have any updates?

I have been told so much disturbing information on the care of BG starting from the second she stepped foot off my farm until the raid. It is so terrible....
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Please remove your tinfoil helmet.

I have had Steve from the SPCA come here after hearing a complaint , to chech things out and I let him see for him self .He made suggestions to improve conditions and I did what he asked .To refuse would have ment I was looking for trouble  or had something to hide..So ive been on both sides and I try to do the right thing..I also believe in the first video Steve was told he could not come on the property with out a warrant...Now wasn't that a smart thing to say.You asked for it and you got it ..I guess you should be careful what you ask for.This is not politics,, this is stupid. Also my spelling sucks,So tuff shit

I realize you will reject this, but I don't think SPCA Steve was "making suggestions" nor "asking" you.  He has men with guns who will destroy your life if you don't do as he demands.  When a man with a gun makes demands of you are you "asking for it" if you refuse to follow his commands?

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If this thread is evidence of the NH school system, I'll be sending my daughter out of state.

If you had any form of comprehension skills you would see that there was no "defending" in my posts. The post was directed at getting information out on the mare who is IR. Information that Heidi apparently did not choose to take heed while BG was in her care. Information that Heidi apparently did not choose to inform the authorities of when they took her.

Proof is in the pudding. And the pudding in this case are the photos of the horses -  PERIOD. If any of you doubt the fact that these horses rate below a 5 body score, then you need your eyes checked.

Hi again Amanda or as you post here: "Me" 

Please let us all know why you defended Heidi and then turned on her suddenly?

Also, Joe, were there any pictures take of these horses when they were received?  Something that could prove that they were in fact "Level 1" horses?

I'm not being a jerk, if you read the posts I have posted in this thread you will see that I am not out to get anyone or take sides etc.  I am asking because I just want to know.

Thanks.

Amanda, these posts are all YOURS!  You DEFEND Heidi AND her reputation MORE THAN ONCE.  Now you are lurking here ... what gives ...

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One of the seized horses was purchased from us in December. We have known about this family for several years and they always came with good reviews from other breeders/owners. They have/had a serious show and breeding program with horses that have some good show titles.

Unfortunately, even though I am still the registered owner of the mare....I doubt I will be able to get her back because she is considered "evidence".

And I have no way of contacting the place she is at to let them know that she is Insulin Resistant and in need of a special diet....for all I know, if she's been on grain since Monday, she may well already be in bad trouble with founder. She was on the light side in December after coming off of weaning a very needy colt, it was also just the condition she generally kept herself in due to her body type, and due to past founder we did not allow her to get heavy. But she was not emaciated when she left us....of course, I do not know what condition she is in now. I did not find out about this until yesterday and it was through a chat site that I found out.

She is a 15.1H bay mare with a black mane and tail. She has roaning on the rear pasterns and heels and a roan spot just past her withers on her back. Her front feet toe in just ever so slightly and one hoof has a higher heel than the other. She has very VERY large eyes and her ears V out just a little. She has not registered white markings but this time of year it looks like she has a small white snip between her nostrils. She has a vaginal tear that is old and was left open (meaning that she does not have a caslicks in at this time) since she was not being re-bred in 08. She may, or may not, have had a green blanket with gold trim on as I sent her with that. Her name is BG Backflash. I have extensive photos from the day I bought her to last year. She also had a 2008 Coggins and Rabies certificate.

If ANYONE knows how to get in touch with the people who have her so that I can get them info on what she needs to eat and find out how I can get her back...please let me know!!!!

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Amanda - I am working on it. Another option is you to call Steve Sprowl of the NHSPCA and give them the info.


I wonder why she bought a horse from you, already having so many, when she had just moved from NH to CO having her CO place forclosed on.
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I'd contact the SPCA directly and inform them of the issues. And also contact the owners directly to see if that was one of the mares confiscated. Right now so many people are popping up asking for the location of the horses and the SPCA is the one to ask.
There are quite a few FSers posing as other people trying to find the locations and for the safety of the people fostering the horses it's best to go through the right channels.
There are Free Staters with the same name as mckulley...so to stay safe all around it's probably best to go through the legal channels to get the info out on the IR mare.
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Amanda- go to Arabian Breeders network - there are some other breeders that have been in contact with Heidi- you could PM them and get her contact info to find out if your horse was one siezed.
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Mckulley is the name of a long deceased yet very dear dog. It has nothing to do with an FS.... I'm not entirely sure what the org is all about but my guess would be that people should be VERY careful with their segregation tactics based on others personal beliefs.

*****

At any rate, my NUMBER ONE priority is to get info to who ever has BG so she can be fed properly. With in a few days of being on a non-carb safe feed she will start to founder. Hay doesn't seem to be an issue for her...but grain is a big one. And if she's just her typical light condition and they think it's due to lack of feed and use that against these folks, well that's just not fare. And then god forbid if they start shoving the food down her throat... I can't even think about it. But if she is in bad shape, and does need some help, they have to know how to go about doing it.

My NUMBER TWO priority is to find out if there is any way to get her back at some point. I understand that she is no longer "my property" as she was sold. But I am STILL the recorded owner....

My husband is a Police Officer and he is adamant that I do not get involved beyond trying to get information to whoever has her so they know how she can be fed and perhaps if there is some kind of list where I can put my name down to take her if they'll release her.

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Heidi wanted her because she had always wanted a Backstreet+ daughter. BG is one of his youngest daughters, the line is not a young one. She ALWAYS paid on time and the one time she got behind she caught right back up without any fuss.
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I should add that I fully well know that BG was one of the group that was taken. I saw the thread at SE.com that Laurie put up. I called Laurie, we talked, Thank God her colt was not in the group. So I called Heidi and she told me that BG was in the group that was taken.
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One would think that if Heidi cared at all about her horses that were being seized she would have told the animal control officers about this mare's special needs requirements. But gee, I guess they are just property, hu?
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I would guess that by the time they started taking horses, she probably was not in her right mind. There's not a person on this board that wouldn't be going bonkers if someone came to take their horses. Especially if you believe you're not in the wrong.
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I'm sorry, this is where my conversation ends. I mentioned this in my first post.

I NEED the foster owners to know of BG's needs.

And if it comes down to her being placed, well, I want to be the one she is placed with.

BG is my sole and only priority in this matter. But I can only do what I'm legally able to do.
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OTTB said she doesn't know where BG's at so just in case the foster people are here:

BG she needs a Carbohydrate safe feed such as Poulin Grain Carb Safe and PLAIN beet pulp. NO beet pulp with sugar! NO regular grain. NO oil. No sugar treats.

Usually she can have regular hay but if their hay is very rich they'll need to soak it in a barrel of water for one hour, drain water, and feed her the hay. They can't let the hay sit longer than an hour or it will re-absorb the sugar it put into the water. NO ALFALFA!

She can't be straight tied but she can be cross tied. You have to be careful rubbing her neck on the non-mane side because (she came to me this way) she shies terribly.

She's a 1991 mare. I have pictures if they aren't sure they have her.

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Arabhorse2, you have a BAD attitude. It's not needed in this already volatile situation.

And for the record, I'm not defending anyone. But I have full working knowledge of how the human mind and system works under times of extreme duress. So I can see why things may not have been said.
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Is there any legal documents on this CO case? I just don't understand why I wouldn't have heard of it....especially when I know other people with good reputations who sold horses to her who LIVE in CO.

Does anyone have this Steve persons phone number?
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Well Arabhorse2, FYI I did send her registration over to Heidi but Heidi has not transferred her into her name yet.

[edit] Excuse me for sitting up since Wednesday trying to figure out how I could have let this happen to a horse of mine.
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Look, if anyone has this Steve persons phone number, I'd be most appreciative to have it. PM would be great.

The ONLY reason why I posted on this forum was because I know how nosey and violent it can get here and figured it'd be the fastest way, after working hours, to get info out to who ever has this mare.

I don't need any bull crap from any anonymous poster here who thinks they know the answers to everything. YOU try having this situation on your shoulders with little more ability than to pass information around.

If BG needs a home, I'm here for her. If I can't do anything more than get info to the people who have her, then I'll have to live with that.
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MistyBlue,

I agree for the most part except.

You can't segregated someone due to their personal belief systems. Not to mention that this whole FS thing is entirely foreign to me and I only found out about it on Wed. It's not like they waive flags, have bumper stickers, or their skin color is different.

And as I've already mentioned, in my community, this person has a good reputation. I've known about her for going on four or five years now. Granted, I did not know her personally, but I knew people who did active business with her. And these were not small time people either.
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I was able to touch base with Steve P. Thank you 3OTTB, I was able to catch him on his cell. He had received an email with the specifics for her feeding and I sent him all of the photos I have of her so they could identify her.

Unfortunately, all I have currently is the fact I'm still her registered owner. But I'm not going to lie and say I own the mare when she was very validly paid for.

However, he knows that if this comes down to needing to find homes, that I will, with out a doubt, be available for BG.
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Thank you. Maybe if you could just post how she is after you see her? Or PM me privately?

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McKulley1- if the fosters do not know, I will ensure they do tomorrow.I have an IR horse so I know the signs well, I will check up on her!
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Does anyone have any updates?

I have been told so much disturbing information on the care of BG starting from the second she stepped foot off my farm until the raid. It is so terrible....
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If they had nothing to hide, then why didn't they just let the guy come on the property and see the animals.

And you are asking others to remove their tinfoil hats?  This statement of yours is nuts, crazy, whacko, off the wall.  No warrant, and the owner isn't even home, and you think Sprowl should have been given free reign to inspect?  You're nuts.  I think perhaps we should have the cops schedule a friendly inspection visit to your house every other day between the hours of 8 am and 7 pm.  After all, you have nothing to hide.  I'm sure you'd be happy to show them through your every possession.

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Please remove your tinfoil helmet.

I have had Steve from the SPCA come here after hearing a complaint , to chech things out and I let him see for him self .He made suggestions to improve conditions and I did what he asked .To refuse would have ment I was looking for trouble  or had something to hide..So ive been on both sides and I try to do the right thing..I also believe in the first video Steve was told he could not come on the property with out a warrant...Now wasn't that a smart thing to say.You asked for it and you got it ..I guess you should be careful what you ask for.This is not politics,, this is stupid. Also my spelling sucks,So tuff shit

I realize you will reject this, but I don't think SPCA Steve was "making suggestions" nor "asking" you.  He has men with guns who will destroy your life if you don't do as he demands.  When a man with a gun makes demands of you are you "asking for it" if you refuse to follow his commands?

Please explain the justification for your accusation against me.  What is tinfoil about pointing out the threat of force that surrounds all acts of people calling themselves government?  If you have no explanation, you're just using ad-hominems.

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If this thread is evidence of the NH school system, I'll be sending my daughter out of state.

If you had any form of comprehension skills you would see that there was no "defending" in my posts. The post was directed at getting information out on the mare who is IR. Information that Heidi apparently did not choose to take heed while BG was in her care. Information that Heidi apparently did not choose to inform the authorities of when they took her.

Proof is in the pudding. And the pudding in this case are the photos of the horses -  PERIOD. If any of you doubt the fact that these horses rate below a 5 body score, then you need your eyes checked.

Hi again Amanda or as you post here: "Me" 

Please let us all know why you defended Heidi and then turned on her suddenly?

Also, Joe, were there any pictures take of these horses when they were received?  Something that could prove that they were in fact "Level 1" horses?

I'm not being a jerk, if you read the posts I have posted in this thread you will see that I am not out to get anyone or take sides etc.  I am asking because I just want to know.

Thanks.

Amanda, these posts are all YOURS!  You DEFEND Heidi AND her reputation MORE THAN ONCE.  Now you are lurking here ... what gives ...

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One of the seized horses was purchased from us in December. We have known about this family for several years and they always came with good reviews from other breeders/owners. They have/had a serious show and breeding program with horses that have some good show titles.

Unfortunately, even though I am still the registered owner of the mare....I doubt I will be able to get her back because she is considered "evidence".

And I have no way of contacting the place she is at to let them know that she is Insulin Resistant and in need of a special diet....for all I know, if she's been on grain since Monday, she may well already be in bad trouble with founder. She was on the light side in December after coming off of weaning a very needy colt, it was also just the condition she generally kept herself in due to her body type, and due to past founder we did not allow her to get heavy. But she was not emaciated when she left us....of course, I do not know what condition she is in now. I did not find out about this until yesterday and it was through a chat site that I found out.

She is a 15.1H bay mare with a black mane and tail. She has roaning on the rear pasterns and heels and a roan spot just past her withers on her back. Her front feet toe in just ever so slightly and one hoof has a higher heel than the other. She has very VERY large eyes and her ears V out just a little. She has not registered white markings but this time of year it looks like she has a small white snip between her nostrils. She has a vaginal tear that is old and was left open (meaning that she does not have a caslicks in at this time) since she was not being re-bred in 08. She may, or may not, have had a green blanket with gold trim on as I sent her with that. Her name is BG Backflash. I have extensive photos from the day I bought her to last year. She also had a 2008 Coggins and Rabies certificate.

If ANYONE knows how to get in touch with the people who have her so that I can get them info on what she needs to eat and find out how I can get her back...please let me know!!!!

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Amanda - do you need help? Please PM me. I have a friend of a friend of a friend........
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Amanda - I am working on it. Another option is you to call Steve Sprowl of the NHSPCA and give them the info.


I wonder why she bought a horse from you, already having so many, when she had just moved from NH to CO having her CO place forclosed on.
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I'd contact the SPCA directly and inform them of the issues. And also contact the owners directly to see if that was one of the mares confiscated. Right now so many people are popping up asking for the location of the horses and the SPCA is the one to ask.
There are quite a few FSers posing as other people trying to find the locations and for the safety of the people fostering the horses it's best to go through the right channels.
There are Free Staters with the same name as mckulley...so to stay safe all around it's probably best to go through the legal channels to get the info out on the IR mare.
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Amanda- go to Arabian Breeders network - there are some other breeders that have been in contact with Heidi- you could PM them and get her contact info to find out if your horse was one siezed.
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Mckulley is the name of a long deceased yet very dear dog. It has nothing to do with an FS.... I'm not entirely sure what the org is all about but my guess would be that people should be VERY careful with their segregation tactics based on others personal beliefs.

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At any rate, my NUMBER ONE priority is to get info to who ever has BG so she can be fed properly. With in a few days of being on a non-carb safe feed she will start to founder. Hay doesn't seem to be an issue for her...but grain is a big one. And if she's just her typical light condition and they think it's due to lack of feed and use that against these folks, well that's just not fare. And then god forbid if they start shoving the food down her throat... I can't even think about it. But if she is in bad shape, and does need some help, they have to know how to go about doing it.

My NUMBER TWO priority is to find out if there is any way to get her back at some point. I understand that she is no longer "my property" as she was sold. But I am STILL the recorded owner....

My husband is a Police Officer and he is adamant that I do not get involved beyond trying to get information to whoever has her so they know how she can be fed and perhaps if there is some kind of list where I can put my name down to take her if they'll release her.

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Heidi wanted her because she had always wanted a Backstreet+ daughter. BG is one of his youngest daughters, the line is not a young one. She ALWAYS paid on time and the one time she got behind she caught right back up without any fuss.
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I should add that I fully well know that BG was one of the group that was taken. I saw the thread at SE.com that Laurie put up. I called Laurie, we talked, Thank God her colt was not in the group. So I called Heidi and she told me that BG was in the group that was taken.
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I PM'd 3OTTB with her exact needs and her quirks....I hope it gets to her foster parents.
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One would think that if Heidi cared at all about her horses that were being seized she would have told the animal control officers about this mare's special needs requirements. But gee, I guess they are just property, hu?
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I would guess that by the time they started taking horses, she probably was not in her right mind. There's not a person on this board that wouldn't be going bonkers if someone came to take their horses. Especially if you believe you're not in the wrong.
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I'm sorry, this is where my conversation ends. I mentioned this in my first post.

I NEED the foster owners to know of BG's needs.

And if it comes down to her being placed, well, I want to be the one she is placed with.

BG is my sole and only priority in this matter. But I can only do what I'm legally able to do.
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OTTB said she doesn't know where BG's at so just in case the foster people are here:

BG she needs a Carbohydrate safe feed such as Poulin Grain Carb Safe and PLAIN beet pulp. NO beet pulp with sugar! NO regular grain. NO oil. No sugar treats.

Usually she can have regular hay but if their hay is very rich they'll need to soak it in a barrel of water for one hour, drain water, and feed her the hay. They can't let the hay sit longer than an hour or it will re-absorb the sugar it put into the water. NO ALFALFA!

She can't be straight tied but she can be cross tied. You have to be careful rubbing her neck on the non-mane side because (she came to me this way) she shies terribly.

She's a 1991 mare. I have pictures if they aren't sure they have her.

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Arabhorse2, you have a BAD attitude. It's not needed in this already volatile situation.

And for the record, I'm not defending anyone. But I have full working knowledge of how the human mind and system works under times of extreme duress. So I can see why things may not have been said.
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Is there any legal documents on this CO case? I just don't understand why I wouldn't have heard of it....especially when I know other people with good reputations who sold horses to her who LIVE in CO.

Does anyone have this Steve persons phone number?
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Well Arabhorse2, FYI I did send her registration over to Heidi but Heidi has not transferred her into her name yet.

[edit] Excuse me for sitting up since Wednesday trying to figure out how I could have let this happen to a horse of mine.
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Look, if anyone has this Steve persons phone number, I'd be most appreciative to have it. PM would be great.

The ONLY reason why I posted on this forum was because I know how nosey and violent it can get here and figured it'd be the fastest way, after working hours, to get info out to who ever has this mare.

I don't need any bull crap from any anonymous poster here who thinks they know the answers to everything. YOU try having this situation on your shoulders with little more ability than to pass information around.

If BG needs a home, I'm here for her. If I can't do anything more than get info to the people who have her, then I'll have to live with that.
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MistyBlue,

I agree for the most part except.

You can't segregated someone due to their personal belief systems. Not to mention that this whole FS thing is entirely foreign to me and I only found out about it on Wed. It's not like they waive flags, have bumper stickers, or their skin color is different.

And as I've already mentioned, in my community, this person has a good reputation. I've known about her for going on four or five years now. Granted, I did not know her personally, but I knew people who did active business with her. And these were not small time people either.
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I was able to touch base with Steve P. Thank you 3OTTB, I was able to catch him on his cell. He had received an email with the specifics for her feeding and I sent him all of the photos I have of her so they could identify her.

Unfortunately, all I have currently is the fact I'm still her registered owner. But I'm not going to lie and say I own the mare when she was very validly paid for.

However, he knows that if this comes down to needing to find homes, that I will, with out a doubt, be available for BG.
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Thank you. Maybe if you could just post how she is after you see her? Or PM me privately?

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Does anyone have any updates?

I have been told so much disturbing information on the care of BG starting from the second she stepped foot off my farm until the raid. It is so terrible....
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Amanda, amongst other things that I managed to grab before you edited your posts on another message board, you say gems like these:

"One of the seized horses was purchased from us in December. We have known about this family for several years and they always came with good reviews from other breeders/owners. They have/had a serious show and breeding program with horses that have some good show titles."

You also said that the SPCA was not easy to contact to relay important information about the horses special needs/diet ... how do you know that Heidi did or did not feed her a proper diet.  I would think that given the amount of time that Heidi owned her if the horse were not fed properly it probably would be incredibly ill or worse - dead.  I would like to know if Sprowl and his gang have been feeding the proper diet to the horse ... you know if they arent, then i guess they are mistreating her huh?

You also said "I would guess that by the time they started taking horses, she probably was not in her right mind. There's not a person on this board that wouldn't be going bonkers if someone came to take their horses. Especially if you believe you're not in the wrong." And then you said "And for the record, I'm not defending anyone. But I have full working knowledge of how the human mind and system works under times of extreme duress. So I can see why things may not have been said." and NOW you flame Heidi by saying: "Information that Heidi apparently did not choose to inform the authorities of when they took her."   you say this as if she did that purposely when previously you sympathize with her. 

If you cant see that you are completely contradicting yourself all over the place then ... maybe you should look up bi-polar disorder perhaps schizophrenia and seek some help.

So maybe you should re-read your OWN WORDS.  Maybe.

I apologize if you dont like being called out on your own hypocrisy but I dont put up with BS from people like you.  So as far as your comment about the NH school system, first of all I didn't go to school here but I did go to a great college, maybe you have heard of it, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. 

Secondly, please feel absolutely 100% free to send your daughter out of state for her education, and while your at it maybe you should accompany her out of state.  Permanently.

For the record: I agree that the proof one way or another would be pictures of the horses.  No one seems to have those.  Funny how that worked out ... I would think that if the horses were "Level 1" that surely the media, the SPCA, people like you and Joe LeBlanc would ALL have pictures of these "horribly mistreated Level 1, neglected, malnourished, worm filled and sickly" horses - but NONE OF YOU DO.  Nor would anyone grant access to them to take video or pictures!  So please do us all a favor and PROVE THAT THE HORSES WERE LEVEL 1 OR MISTREATED!!!

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Dan whether "Me" is nuts or not she is a registered guest on NHFree and thus is engaged with your ideas.  Why try so hard to disengage her? 

Also Leet is it possible that she changed her tune because she saw photographs or received info or misinfo that changed her mind?

I know how it feels to go on a forum a lot where my opinion is in the minority, like seacoastconnects.com - so maybe that is why I wish we would not treat dissenters the same way some "mainstream" forums treat us.