9-11 was an inside job

[jaqeboy]

Former Bush Speechwriter Hints at 9/11 Inside Job
Says Neo-Cons would have created a false flag to justify war had it not been for WTC attack, questions official story

by Paul Joseph Watson

Global Research, April 13, 2007

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WAT20070413&articleId=5381

[jaqeboy]

Thermite And A Controlled Demolition Of The World Trade Center.

Good short video into to the suspicion surrounding a possible method of demolition of WTC buildings: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3873474711036143711&hl=en

[mvpel]

Why don't you tell us what's really bothering you?

The fact that you won't set forth one of the "easily verifiable facts" that you say I'm willfully ignoring, Insurgent.

As for "thermite," Jaque, do you know what happens when aluminum from an airplane and gypsum interact chemically?  Do you know whether the reaction between steam and steel is endothermic or exothermic, and what its byproducts are?

[lildog]

OK, I'll bite:  Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan's ISI (intelligence service) arranged for $100,000 to be wired to Mohammed Atta in the days preceding the 9/11 attacks.  After this was brought to the attention of the Bush Administration, the Bush Administration failed to request Mr. Ahmad's extradition.

Instead, we attacked Saddam Hussein.

Right now, Mr. Ahmad is living free as a bird in Pakistan, despite being clearly implicated in the events of 9/11.  On the day of 9/11, Mr. Ahmad was in America, meeting with the head of the Senate and House intelligence committees.  Earlier in that week he had met with Bush Administration officials.

Okay, so how does that set of facts prove that the towers were deliberately demolished by government operatives as suggested in the title and content of "Improbable Collapse," or any kind of Bush Administration complicity in the 9/11 attack, instead of just being an example of craven political expediency in the face of the extremely thorny prospect of criminally extraditing the chief of intelligence of a nominally-allied (SEATO, CENTO), nuclear-armed nation while we're trying to cultivate and repair post-Cold-War relations in the wake of a 40-year partnership in containing Soviet expansionism?

Exactly!  I can't understand how people can look at the same government that evicts Katrina survivors out of their trailers then turns around and has problems on how to deal with all the empty trailers they have which they are trying to give away ( http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=8186.0 ) and suddenly think that in the case of 9-11 they suddenly gained competency.

[Insurgent]

OK, I'll bite:  Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistan's ISI (intelligence service) arranged for $100,000 to be wired to Mohammed Atta in the days preceding the 9/11 attacks.  After this was brought to the attention of the Bush Administration, the Bush Administration failed to request Mr. Ahmad's extradition.

Instead, we attacked Saddam Hussein.

Right now, Mr. Ahmad is living free as a bird in Pakistan, despite being clearly implicated in the events of 9/11.  On the day of 9/11, Mr. Ahmad was in America, meeting with the head of the Senate and House intelligence committees.  Earlier in that week he had met with Bush Administration officials.

Okay, so how does that set of facts prove that the towers were deliberately demolished by government operatives as suggested in the title and content of "Improbable Collapse," or any kind of Bush Administration complicity in the 9/11 attack, instead of just being an example of craven political expediency in the face of the extremely thorny prospect of criminally extraditing the chief of intelligence of a nominally-allied (SEATO, CENTO), nuclear-armed nation while we're trying to cultivate and repair post-Cold-War relations in the wake of a 40-year partnership in containing Soviet expansionism?

Exactly!  I can't understand how people can look at the same government that evicts Katrina survivors out of their trailers then turns around and has problems on how to deal with all the empty trailers they have which they are trying to give away ( http://forum.soulawakenings.com/index.php?topic=8186.0 ) and suddenly think that in the case of 9-11 they suddenly gained competency.

It's a common error to point out the incompetence of government and conclude that therefore covert operations and conspiracies can't happen. It is important to define, too what we mean by "an inside job". It's not as though Congress passed a law to make it happen, or that it was an official CIA operation. We'll probably never know exactly who was involved, suffice to say that rogue elements within government and the military industrial complex were responsible.

It would not have required very many people to be in the know in order to pull this off, and some people with smaller, specific roles may not have even known the bigger picture of what was to take place.

These issues, along with issues surrounding the collapse of the three buildings on 9/11 will all be addressed Wednesday at the film showing and Q&A. I'm really looking forward to it 

[MaineShark]

It's a common error to point out the incompetence of government and conclude that therefore covert operations and conspiracies can't happen.

It doesn't mean they can't happen, but it does mean we shouldn't automatically leap to that conclusion.  And we certainly shouldn't then extend that assumed conspiracy to be mroe complex than needed to accomplish the supposed goal.

It is important to define, too what we mean by "an inside job".

Indeed.  Do we mean that some elements within the government paid, convinced, brainwashed, or otherwise led a few individuals to hijack planes and crash them into buildings?  Or do we mean that a vast conspiracy planted demolitions charges in buildings days ahead of time, even though the buildings would have collapsed anyway, just to "frame the guilty" or somesuch, and detonated them with no apparent explosions?

One of those is reasonable to infer, given the hard evidence that is available, physics, and the record the government has.  The other is not.

Joe

[lildog]

And we certainly shouldn't then extend that assumed conspiracy to be mroe complex than needed to accomplish the supposed goal.

See that's the key problem with the conspiracy theories they are SOOOOO complex.

We have planes hitting buildings, which were also wired with explosives, then other unrelated buildings also wired with explosives (motivation for which is who know?), the missile supposedly used in Washington etc...  I mean seriously, which is more likely... 19 guys hijack planes and fly them into buildings or this HUGE government conspiracy which would have needed hundreds if not thousands of people to pull off involving misery white planes, missiles, pre-planted explosives, remote control planes etc etc etc etc.

[JonM]

I liked South Park's take on the 9-11 conspiracy myself.

[jaqeboy]

As for "thermite," Jaque, do you know what happens when aluminum from an airplane and gypsum interact chemically?  Do you know whether the reaction between steam and steel is endothermic or exothermic, and what its byproducts are?

These seem like interesting questions you may want to pose to Michael Berger tomorrow.

There will be an additional opportunity to meet him and grill him:

3PM - 5PM
Grand Buffet
South Willow Street (across from the Mall of New-Hampshire)
Manchester
Buffet lunch is $6.99 til 3:30, so come on time for the best price
The gathering will be in the party room off to the left of the lobby.

Hope to see you there and/or at the film showing later in Concord

[jaqeboy]

It is important to define, too what we mean by "an inside job".

Indeed.  Do we mean that some elements within the government paid, convinced, brainwashed, or otherwise led a few individuals to hijack planes and crash them into buildings?

Webster Tarpley, in his book "9-11 Synthetic Terror" details how previous state-terror false flag ops have gone down and he postulates how the 9-11 op most likely went down. His book will be on sale at the Best Western, Concord, 7PM Wed. nite.

Or do we mean that a vast conspiracy planted demolitions charges in buildings days ahead of time, even though the buildings would have collapsed anyway, just to "frame the guilty" or somesuch, and detonated them with no apparent explosions?

It looks like William Rodriquez will be coming to New-Hampshire 19 May to talk about this. He was the maintenance supervisor for the WTC 1-2 buildings and was the "last man out." He was recognized by George Bush for his bravery and his life saving. He was pulling injured people out of the buildings - injured by explosions in the basement! He also reports hearing some mysterious construction sounds going on certain floors (see this report in "911 Mysteries", probably on Google video).

[jaqeboy]

And we certainly shouldn't then extend that assumed conspiracy to be more complex than needed to accomplish the supposed goal.

See that's the key problem with the conspiracy theories they are SOOOOO complex.

We have planes hitting buildings, which were also wired with explosives, then other unrelated buildings also wired with explosives (motivation for which is who know?), the missile supposedly used in Washington etc...  I mean seriously, which is more likely... 19 guys hijack planes and fly them into buildings or this HUGE government conspiracy which would have needed hundreds if not thousands of people to pull off involving misery white planes, missiles, pre-planted explosives, remote control planes etc etc etc etc.

Webster Tarpley, as mentioned below, is probably one of the best to weave together what is known surrounding 9-11 into the most likely scenario. The book will be $15 at the event.

Tarpley has committed to come to Manchester for an event to be put together for September 11th of this year. He was here a couple of months back in Dover and was a very compelling presenter. He also does a radio show every Saturday on a short-wave station. I think you can find archived shows by Googling.

[lildog]

Webster Tarpley, as mentioned below, is probably one of the best to weave together what is known surrounding 9-11 into the most likely scenario. The book will be $15 at the event.

That's the other problem I have with many of the people coming up with these theories, they use them to sell books etc.

[jaqeboy]

Webster Tarpley, as mentioned below, is probably one of the best to weave together what is known surrounding 9-11 into the most likely scenario. The book will be $15 at the event.

That's the other problem I have with many of the people coming up with these theories, they use them to sell books etc.

How about I not hold a copy for you then?

[jaqeboy]

Slight correction:

It looks like William Rodriquez will be coming to New-Hampshire 19 May [date not definite, but around this timeframe] to talk about this. He was the maintenance supervisor for the WTC 1-2 buildings and was the "last man out." He was recognized by George Bush for his bravery and his life saving. He was pulling injured people out of the buildings - injured by explosions in the basement! He also reports hearing some mysterious construction sounds going on certain floors [in the weeks before September 11th] (see this report in "911 Mysteries", probably on Google video).

[jaqeboy]

Webster Tarpley, as mentioned below, is probably one of the best to weave together what is known surrounding 9-11 into the most likely scenario. The book will be $15 at the event.

That's the other problem I have with many of the people coming up with these theories, they use them to sell books etc.

Yeah, darn free market! Ya know, if someone does a lot of research and spends a lot of money on his academic training and has some knowledge to impart to other people, we shouldn't let him crassly commercialize on that and make money off us poor saps - why, that would be exploitation! If we could only control which people could write and publish books, we could stop all this foolish nonsense! Yeah, these pesky "theory people" - they're causing a lot of problems for us people who already know the real truth!