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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2005, 01:11 AM NHFT »

They let Clinton run things for 8 years . . . why? Oh wait, that doesn't matter in that world, I keep forgetting.  I suppose the fact that twice Bush was barely able to eek out an electoral victory against some of the most unappealing Democrats ever to run for President was just part of the "show" as well?  Shrewd people can act like morons; they do it all the time.  They've shrewdly gotten Bush down to a 39% approval rating.  They've shrewdly fucked up Iraq tremendously.  The shrewd mishandling of the Katrina disaster is mostly the state government's fault, but they've shrewdly screwed up in making that clear.

Why do you still breathe if this conspiracy theory is true?  Shouldn't "they" have had you killed by now?  Of course, that would just lend credence to this nutjob conspiracy theory.  That I can't conceive of anyone in our government's power being so disgustingly callous to other Americans, and indeed be willing to risk the total economic collapse of our country in this attack is perhaps my failing.  Your inability to provide anything but supposition, guesses and statements that "things just don't add up" as opposition to the facts as presented is not my failing.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2005, 01:19 AM NHFT »

They have no need to worry about me. I have no power.
I can see that you are the type of person who sees the good in people, not the bad. You still trust our leaders are trying to do the best for us. I used to feel that way, but no more.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2005, 01:28 AM NHFT »

I trust them to be greedy self-serving egomaniacs twisting the system at every oppurtunity to benefit themselves and their cohorts.  I just don't see any upside for that sort of person to attempt 9/11.  The risk-reward ratio just doesn't make sense for them to try it.  If they get caught, they face worse than being strung up in the real and very physical sense.  They got a PATRIOT act that many people denounce, which is having issues being renewed.  They got a REAL ID act that the states are rebelling against implementing (sadly over cost rathern that the loss of liberty).  They got a war in Iraq (which they were going to go after regardless of 9/11) that is not turning out well in ANY sense of the word.

All this at the risk of what would happen if the conspiracy were revealed?  THAT does not add up.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2005, 03:01 AM NHFT »

Take a look at this:

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/hilton_interview.htm

Some say that several witnesses were coerced to recant their testimony.

Stanley Hilton keeps saying how he's got mountains of direct evidence that Bush directly ordered 9/11, yet he hasn't offered up a single shred for public scrutiny. He (and Alex Jones) keep publicly worrying about his safety, because surely "they" will off him for exposing what "they" did. Apparently they're not concerned that these mountains of evidence could die with Hilton.

Were I in that situation, and truly had lots of hard evidence that could lead to my death, the last thing I'd do would be to sit on it. I'd be spreading copies like crazy, to every possible venue. When asked about the evidence in interviews, I'd be citing document dates and authors, and quoting them directly and providing a URL for people to download them.

But no... apparently Stanley Hilton's $7,000,000,000 lawsuit takes priority over spreading the "truth".

I wonder what the contingency fee is on $7 Billion...

Kevin
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #64 on: September 12, 2005, 04:24 AM NHFT »

Penn & Teller did a Bullshit episode on this exact conspiracy theory, and I have to agree with them.? 100% bull fucking shit.? I have a much easier time believing our government was too incompetent to stop this than there is a cabal of people in America who decided murdering up to 50,000 Americans would be a good policy move.? If such a group exists, and were able to somehow, with nobody noticing, wire explosives into every floor, and pull off the most disturbing mass murder in American history without a single person defecting from their ranks in disgust and ratting them out, why in god's name would they let the Free State Project get moving?? That would be a direct threat against them.

This is the same government that couldn't keep an idiot break-in at a psychiatrist's office under wraps.? But I'm sure there's a good conspiracy theory on why they threw Nixon to the wolves as well.

Exactly.

The government screws up everything they touch.? Even the Nazis couldn't get away with blaming the Reichstag fire on one communist boy, and most of Germany knew the Nazis burned it down.? Luckily for governments, people's attention spans are short and they are easily controlled by flag-waving, wars, and... more flag-waving.

No government short of a complete dictatorship could pull off an event like 9/11 against their own people.? The idea that a typical government could do this to its own people is absurd and illogical.? Governments succeed only at complete and utter failure with vast unintended consequences.

Of course Bush sat in a classroom listening to children for 5 minutes after being told that the US was at war - he's an idiot.? I've seen many videos of Bush speaking off-the-cuff, and I'm not talking about any practiced event like the New Orleans photo-op.? When cameras talk to him at his ranch, he proves that he's a blundering idiot.


For example, I've made exact transcripts of a few of these video clips:

"Well what... what I'm worried about... is... uhhh... job creation.? Uhhh... and I'm worried about those who... are unemployed.? I... uhhhh... I am concerned about those who... uhh... are looking for work and can't find work, so next week when I talk about an economic stimulus package, I will talk about... uhhhhh........ how to create jobs... how BEST to create jobs... as well as how best to take care of those who don't have a job.? I'm concerned about ALL people.? And I don't view the politics... and I understand the politics of... of economic stimulus.? If some would like to turn this into class warfare... uhhhh... I... uhh...... That's not how I think!? I think about the overall economy, how best to help those folks who are looking for work."


Example 2:

"Well, first of all... uhhh... I think it's important to remember that... Saddam Hussein was close to having a nucular weapon.? Uhh... We don't KNOW whether or not he has a nucular weapon.? Uhhh... We do expect him to disarm... his weapons of mass destruction; that's what we expect.? Uhh secondly... uhhhh... the uhh international community has been trying to resolve... the situation in Iraq with diplomacy for... uhh eleven years!? And for eleven years Saddam has defied... the international community.? And uhhhhh...... and now we brought the world together to send a clear signal we expect him to disarm... get rid of his weapons of mass destruction.? Uhh The first step in determining whether or not he can do that is... was discouraging!? His declaration was short!? And... uhhhhhh... uhhh... the... international community recognized that..... that he wasn't forthcoming.? Awww...? Again, I hope this Iraq situation can be resolved peacefully.? One of my New Year's resolutions was to work a... uh deal with these situations in a way that they're resolved peacefully.? But uhhhh...... thus far it appears that uhhh..... on-- at first look that Saddam hadn't heard the message!"


Example 3:

"Secretary Powell will make a... strong case about the danger of a armed Saddam Hussein.? We'll uh... make it clear that uh... Saddam Hussein is... fooling the world... trying to fool the world.? We will make it clear... that Saddam is... is a... uhhh... menace to peace in his own neighborhood.? We will also talk about... Al Qaeda links.? Links that... uhhh... really portend... uhhh... a danger for America and for Great Britain--anybody else that loves freedom.? As the Prime Minister said, the War on Terror is not confined to--just to a shadowy terrorist network.? The War on Terra includes those who are willing to train... and to equip... a... organizations such as Al Qaeda."


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Bush is an idiot.? Period.? Without significant coaching, help, and scripting, he cannot even speak like a normal human being.? He is BEYOND stupid.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #65 on: September 12, 2005, 09:04 AM NHFT »

I am now questioning the original official explanation of 9/11 ..... I don't think that is disrespectful to anyone who died in the buildings or planes.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2005, 08:19 PM NHFT »

I think its spitting in the face of the families of the victims NOT to demand the truth.

Caleb
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #67 on: September 12, 2005, 08:54 PM NHFT »

The truth is terrorists from another country killed thousands of Americans on 9/11.  The only thing that was left to explore was why we didn't stop it ahead of time.  To suggest that someone inside the government could conceive of this and attempt to pull it off is ludicrous.  There may be someone in the intelligence community who suspected this would happen and was either unable or unwilling to raise the alarm, but how can you look at one of children of those victims and tell them to their face that it was really their government who did this with no =REAL= evidence of it?

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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #68 on: September 12, 2005, 08:57 PM NHFT »

Yes, letting the real criminals off scott free, ready to wreck more havoc upon us...now there some spit for ya.
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JonM

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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #69 on: September 12, 2005, 09:42 PM NHFT »

And who would these real criminals be, and how would they have commited this crime?  And WHY would they have commited this crime?
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #70 on: September 12, 2005, 09:50 PM NHFT »

Well....to throw the country into economic havoc so they would increace tax plunder.......wait a minute.....never mind......
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #71 on: September 12, 2005, 10:03 PM NHFT »

The truth is terrorists from another country killed thousands of Americans on 9/11.? The only thing that was left to explore was why we didn't stop it ahead of time.? To suggest that someone inside the government could conceive of this and attempt to pull it off is ludicrous.? There may be someone in the intelligence community who suspected this would happen and was either unable or unwilling to raise the alarm, but how can you look at one of children of those victims and tell them to their face that it was really their government who did this with no =REAL= evidence of it?



What is "Real Evidence"?  Believe me, any tangible evidence has been concealed and/or destroyed by the perpetrators. Most of the evidence which would be readily obtainable would be from various "loose canon" witnesses.

All I know is, that damn Patriot Act was whipped up way too fast to have been written AFTER the 911 attacks. It was clear that the authors didn't want the Congressmen to have time to read it (also true for other anti-liberty bills that were passed later).

Most of America has been Neo-Conned... This country is getting more dysfunctional all the time.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #72 on: September 12, 2005, 10:30 PM NHFT »

That they had a wish list of police powers they would like to see enacted does not mean they perpetrated that attack.  It means they're opportunists.  That is not evidence, it is supposition.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #73 on: September 12, 2005, 11:53 PM NHFT »

That they had a wish list of police powers they would like to see enacted does not mean they perpetrated that attack.? It means they're opportunists.? That is not evidence, it is supposition.

Agreed.? Every government wants these police powers.? The various departments have probably been asking for these powers for decades.? Somewhere, there's a massive laundry list of powers the government wants, and this list will be pulled out whenever something bad happens.

I'm sure the FBI has been looking for an excuse to raid our library records since its inception.  It's quite a big stretch to say the FBI killed 3,000 innocent Americans in order to get that ability.
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Re: 9-11 was an inside job
« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2005, 12:43 AM NHFT »

From Alex Jones's Prison Planet.com

Bombs in the Building: World Trade Center 'Conspiracy Theory' is a Conspiracy Fact

By Randy Lavello

By now the misinformation and ignored findings surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks have evaporated the official version into the land of fiction. Didn?t it seem strange that we learned everything of the government version by the next day? Much has been learned about the attacks, yet the official version has never changed; it seems as though our government thinks the point moot since it used this excuse to pass unconstitutional laws and wage wars resulting in oil profits. The time has come to admit the sorry truth as a nation, so that we can move on - as a nation.

The planes did not bring those towers down; bombs did. So why use planes? It seems they were a diversionary tactic- a grand spectacle. Who would want to divert our attention from the real cause of the collapse of those towers? It must be those who benefited most from these attacks. Let?s recount some facts of that dreadful day.

Any time an aircraft deviates from it?s course, the air traffic controller requests a military intercept according to military response code 7610-4J. This was the first time interceptors were not sent up in the history of this policy. The intercept pilots are trained to make a visual check of the cockpit? could this be the reason these interceptors were intercepted? Planes were sent to the New York area, after unprecedented delay, from Falmouth, Massachusetts rather than nearby Ft. Dix or Laguardia. Of course, they didn?t arrive in time - there was no visual scan of the cockpits.

Captain Kent Hill, retired from the Air Force, explained that the U.S. had flown unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, on preprogrammed flight paths from Edwards Air Force Base, California to Australia on several occasions. He believes the airliners used in the attacks had their on board computers knocked out and were subsequently choreographed by an Airborne Warning and Control System. Along side Captain Hill, an Air Force officer with more than 100 sorties in Vietnam stated, ?Those birds either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control.? We know that the technology exists to fly hijacked commercial airliners by remote control - it?s called ?Globalhawk.? We also know that the military has had an unmanned drone aircraft known as the ?Predator,? since 1994. A saboteur would merely have to reprogram the controls to switch from manual to remote; those airliners practically fly themselves already with the autopilot. This would require electronic security codes? acquisition of electronic codes would also explain the lapse of interceptor response due to sabotage. Furthermore, it?s a fact that Air Force One codes were known and punched in by a rogue source on 9/11, proving the presence of an inside, subversive element.

As usual, it?s not a good conspiracy, if it doesn?t involve a Bush! Introducing Marvin Bush - brother of George Jr. Marvin is a substantial shareholder and was on the Board of Directors until 2000 of a security company aptly named Securacom. This is not an ordinary security force with canvas badges and walkie-talkies; it?s an electronic security company, which was ?coincidentally? involved with Dulles Airport until 1998. Handling electronic security at Dulles seems like an excellent way to gain access to Air Traffic Control communication codes with NORAD, which is in charge of intercept missions. According to CEO Barry McDaniel, the company ?handled some of the security at the World Trade Center up to the day the buildings fell down.? How convenient, huh? Bombs were in those towers? Bush?s presidency was saved by these attacks - just something to think about.

Five of the twenty ?suicide hijackers? are alive and well according to the BBC and they want their names cleared. So who was flying those planes? We may never know exactly what happened with those jets; what we do know is that the official version crumbles under scrutiny. These planes were merely a diversion, as proven by the presence of bombs? that?s right, PROVEN!

Before beginning this article, I met Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr. at the World Trade Center Memorial. Paul, along with many other firemen, is very upset about the obvious cover-up and he is on a crusade for answers and justice. He was stationed at Engine 10, across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers. He explained to me that, ?many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they?re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ?higher-ups? forbid discussion of this fact.? Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department?s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. ?There were definitely bombs in those buildings,? he told me. He explained to me that, if the building had ?pancaked? as it?s been called, the falling floors would have met great resistance from the steel support columns, which would have sent debris flying outward into the surrounding blocks. I asked him about the trusses, and quoted the history channel?s ?don?t trust a truss? explanation for the collapses. He responded in disbelief, and told me, ?You could never build a truss building that high. A slight wind would knock it over! Those buildings were supported by reinforced steel. Building don?t just implode like that; this was a demolition.?

Just after the disaster, Firefighter Louie Cacchioli said, ?We think there were bombs set in the building.? Notice he said ?we?. At 9:04, just after flight 175 collided with the South Tower, a huge explosion shot 550 feet into the air from the U.S. Customs House known as WTC 6. A huge crater scars the ground where this building once stood. Something blew up WTC 6 - it wasn?t a plane; it must have been a bomb of some sort.

The seismic record from Columbia University?s observatory in Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a 2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to crumble these waves disappeared. The two ?spikes?on the seismograph, which both occurred at the exact instants the collapses began, are twenty times the amplitude, or more than 100 times the force of the other waves. If the buildings had simply collapsed, the largest jolts would have occurred when the massive debris struck the earth, not at the beginnings of the collapses. Seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam of Columbia University stated, ?Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.? In other words, the collapsing did not cause 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes. Furthermore, a ?sharp spike of short duration? is how underground nuclear explosions register on seismographs. Underground explosions, where the steel columns meet Manhattans granite would account for both the demolition-style implosions and these ?spikes? on the seismograph. Another seismologist at the Palisades observatory, Won Young Kim said the 1993 truck bomb did not even register on their seismographs because the explosion was ?not coupled? to the ground. Imagine the magnitude of explosions it would take to register the two earthquakes, when the truck bomb didn?t even show up.

The American Free Press reported that in the basements of the collapsed towers, where 47 central support columns (per building) connected with the bedrock, hot spots of ?literally molten steel? were discovered more than a month after the attack. There is only one explanation for this: An explosion of unprecedented magnitude destroyed the bases of the columns, then the massive structures buried the impact points, trapping the intense heat below for all that time.

The tower which was struck second suffered less damage from the plane because it was a less direct hit and most of the jet fuel was seen ignited outside the structure? yet this tower collapsed first. Just before this collapse, the firefighters were up on the burning levels and were heard saying, ?Battalion seven? Ladder fifteen, we?ve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines.? How could two isolated pockets of fire destroy the bases of the support columns causing the buildings to implode? Paul Isaac told me, ?Based on video footage of the collapse of the South Tower, the structural collapse is not consistent with the angle the building was struck.?

Why was no investigation permitted of the debris? Dr W. Gene Corley headed the FEMA sponsored engineering assessment of the World Trade Center collapse, which performed no tests on the steel for traces of explosives. When asked about this process known as ?twinning,? he responded, ?I am not a metallurgist.? Dr. Corley also ?investigated? the debris at Waco and Oklahoma City? and we all know how thoroughly those ?investigations? were performed.

No government agency performed forensic examinations of the rubble; no effort was made to validate their official story. The rubble was quickly loaded onto ships and delivered to China for smelting. These are the actions of criminals disposing of evidence! By these actions, FEMA proves itself to be a subversive element in our government!

Former Deputy Director of the FBI, John P. O?Neil stated, ?The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.? Can you think of anyone (Bush) linked to both wealthy Saudi Arabians and U.S. corporate oil? John O?Neil resigned from the FBI after 31 years of service after Barbara Bodine, currently part of the Iraqi transition team, barred him from following up his investigation of the attack on the U.S.S Cole. He took a job heading security at the World Trade Center? his first day of work - September 11, 2001. John O?Neil received the job from Jerome Howard, Former Director of the New York Office of Emergency Management, who happened to have the day off on 9/11. We may only speculate on the case of Mr. O?Neil, but he does seem to be a person which U.S. oil corporate interests would want out of the way? especially during these wars for oil and power in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The top FBI officials in Minneapolis called off investigations of Zacarais Moussaoui, causing bitter resentment among field agents. The man who made the decision not to investigate was promoted! Israeli intelligence agents lived next to the alleged hijackers in Hollywood, Florida. The ?hijackers? were trained at U.S. government flight schools. Insider training on United Airlines leads to the conclusion that there was foreknowledge of these attacks; it also establishes that those with this foreknowledge are, at least, relatively wealthy. Another suspicious finding is that the World Trade Center was sold to Vornado Realty Trust in February, seven months prior to the attacks for 3.25 billion dollars? this doesn?t prove anything, it?s merely suspicious.

Who gained the most from the attacks of September 11th? Who had the motive? An Israeli expert on terrorism at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Ehud Sprinzak said, ?From the perspective of Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor.? David Stern, an expert on Israeli intelligence operations stated, ?This attack required a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be extremely familiar with both Air Force One flight operations, civil airline flight paths, and aerial assault tactics on sensitive U.S. cities like Washington.? He elaborated that the attacks ?serve no Arab group or nation?s interest, but their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of Israel?? He goes on to claim ?A U.S. military intelligence report revealed details of an international intelligence memo linking Mossad to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The memo was in circulation three weeks before the attacks.?

Furthering the suspicion of Mossad involvement, five Israelis were seen atop a van smiling and celebrating, while taking videos of the disaster from across the Hudson River. These five were arrested by the FBI and detained for two months before being deported back to Israel. Two of these men were positively identified as Israeli intelligence agents. Eighty-one nations are represented among the World Trade Center?s dead - Israel is not one of these nations even though approximately 1200 of its citizens worked there. As if that wasn?t enough, an instant messaging firm in Israel, named Odigo, received warnings about the towers two hours before the attacks. Everyone who points out the wrongdoings of Israel is immediately labeled ?anti-Semitic?? well, the truth knows no race or religion - it?s just the truth. These aren?t Jews carrying out these plans; it?s merely sick animals who hide behind the Jews!

WorldTradeCenter.com describes David Rockefeller as the ?Visionary behind the World Trade Center.? He pushed the construction of these towers through major opposition with the aid of his brother, then governor, Nelson Rockefeller. David has been quoted as saying, ?We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.? Was this the ?right major crisis? to advance the aims of a global government?

There is overwhelming evidence to support the findings that these alleged Arab terrorists were merely scapegoats used to advance the World Government agend. During the attacks, ?President? George Jr. was reading a book with school children about goats! (Scapegoats?) Arab terrorists did not carry out these attacks which were detrimental to the Muslim world.

All evidence points to elements inside, high atop the governments of Israel and the United States. Those wishing to implement their world government through their control over finance, media and militaries are guilty of these most heinous crimes. This atrocity is proving to advance the domestic police state agendas and consolidate the Middle East?s oil reserves. The people who most benefited from these attacks are the wealthiest, most privileged and powerful men on earth who feel they will finally be able to hold dominion over the nations of the world through their New World Order. For some of these globalists, these attacks were merely a means to an end - a huge step toward ruling a world socialist system. But for others, likely the planners of such a vile crime, this was a mass sacrifice to themselves. This mass ritual sacrifice of the vulnerable and the heroes who tried to save them was perpetrated by power crazed freaks who are simply - satanic.
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