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Started by THEGENERAL, March 26, 2009, 01:36 PM NHFT

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THEGENERAL

Quote from: thinkliberty on March 26, 2009, 03:43 PM NHFT
So we get 25+ people together form an assembly, do you think the government is just going to roll over and say damn you got us "thegeneral" we can't just ignore your assembly you win.

25 is the least, we need the backing of the people...

Why is it that we have a government that enslaves us and we roll over and say damn you got us "bankers" we can't just ignore your fraud you win.

BillKauffman

Quote from: THEGENERAL on March 26, 2009, 03:52 PM NHFT
Quote from: thinkliberty on March 26, 2009, 03:43 PM NHFT
So we get 25+ people together form an assembly, do you think the government is just going to roll over and say damn you got us "thegeneral" we can't just ignore your assembly you win.

25 is the least, we need the backing of the people...

Why is it that we have a government that enslaves us and we roll over and say damn you got us "bankers" we can't just ignore your fraud you win.

Want specific fraud are you referring to?

THEGENERAL

Everything in admiralty law is fraud on our soil...  Do you live on an ocean?

Admiralty law (also referred to as maritime law) is a distinct body of law which governs maritime questions and offenses. It is a body of both domestic law governing maritime activities, and private international law governing the relationships between private entities which operate vessels on the oceans. It deals with matters including marine commerce, marine navigation, shipping, sailors, and the transportation of passengers and goods by sea. Admiralty law also covers many commercial activities, although land based or occurring wholly on land, that are maritime in character.




AntonLee



slave_3646

Cite a case where the tactic you're suggesting worked. It must be a case that we can research that is in the public record. Do that, and maybe, just maybe, people will take the whole 'admiralty law' thing a bit more seriously. Til then, they got the guns dude, they make the rules, dude, and that as they say, is that.

THEGENERAL

Quote from: slave_3646 on March 26, 2009, 04:31 PM NHFT
Cite a case where the tactic you're suggesting worked. It must be a case that we can research that is in the public record. Do that, and maybe, just maybe, people will take the whole 'admiralty law' thing a bit more seriously. Til then, they got the guns dude, they make the rules, dude, and that as they say, is that.

In Common law we have the right to travel with out a licence, in admiralty law you need a licence to "drive"...  the word play they use is half the battle.  Do you know when you regester your car you sign it over to the state and they rent it to you with the registration.  If you bought a car brand new and got clear title with a chattle deed you would not have to register it.  Or have a licence to travel.
CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579.

CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941.

In Hertado v. California, 110 US 516, the U.S Supreme Court states very plainly:

"The state cannot diminish rights of the people." 

And in Bennett v. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60,

"Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void."

Would we not say that these judicial decisions are straight to the point -- that there is no lawful method for government to put restrictions or limitations on rights belonging to the people? Other cases are even more straight forward:

"The assertion of federal rights, when plainly and reasonably made, is not to be defeated under the name of local practice." Davis v. Wechsler, 263 US 22, at 24

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491.

"The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, at 489.

There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional rights." Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946





BillKauffman

The common right of ways (individual equal rights of use not requiring prior approval but no individual can infringe upon any other individuals equal right) are contained within the collectively owned roads and sidewalks (joint ownership requiring prior approval from all the other owners who can dictate terms and conditions of use).

Where foot travel predominates (sidewalks) there are not many rules to restrict individuals exercising their right of way common rights but as the speed of locomotion increases (on roads) the potential for harm to other individuals and their property has deemed the requiring of terms and conditions of use.

David

Magic words will not save us.  Hell, cops don't even know more than a fraction of the law themselves.  Assembling, resolutions, general calls to action, in and of themselves will do nothing to advance freedom.  They never have. 

FTL_Ian

We assembled more than 25 people on Sunday and the government did not crumble.  What happens after the 25 people get together in your plan, THEGENERAL?

BillKauffman

Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on March 26, 2009, 11:00 PM NHFT
We assembled more than 25 people on Sunday and the government did not crumble.  What happens after the 25 people get together in your plan, THEGENERAL?

Storm the Bastille!

THEGENERAL

Quote from: FreeKeene.com's Ian on March 26, 2009, 11:00 PM NHFT
We assembled more than 25 people on Sunday and the government did not crumble.  What happens after the 25 people get together in your plan, THEGENERAL?

We organize with signatures...  This holds weight.

Now I know I'm going to hear a sly remark for each word I say so here it comes...

We only have one true form or government here, a republic.  In this Republic it goes:

God
Self... after self...
Government

and so on...



God gave us inalienable rights:



Natural rights (also called moral rights or inalienable rights) are rights which are not contingent upon the laws, customs, or beliefs of a particular society or polity. In contrast of inalienable rights, fraud... or as you all call it, legal rights (sometimes also called civil rights or statutory rights) are rights conveyed by a particular polity, codified into legal statutes by some form of legislature, and as such are contingent upon local laws, customs, or beliefs. Natural rights are thus necessarily universal, whereas legal rights are culturally and politically relative.



What I say over and over is the system of fraud holds no water with no evidence.  Evidence is someone saying that something else exists.  Now if everyone woke up and submitted evidence that we had a Republic then we could limit government to protection only.  The government would always listen to the people, which it was always meant to but we stopped telling it what to do and our parents signed as over to this fraudulent corporation that tricked everyone that we needed to work non stop to put wealth in their pockets as they hoard it.  Now that they control everything that happens you do as they say or else, but we don't understand our right to assemble, sign a document... with all our signatures, to tell them...  well how do I put it???  Oh ya... PISS OFF.



I am nuts... granted, but you, yes you that read this, you are no better.  But if all you do is write on a forum about what sucks how do you think anything will ever get done that way?



Ok, that's enough for now...  I'm ready... let me have it...

BillKauffman

QuoteGod gave us inalienable rights

You do realize that many here are atheists/agnostics?

QuoteNow if everyone woke up and submitted evidence that we had a Republic then we could limit government to protection only.

A Republic is governance via laws.

Lloyd Danforth

We have a pool going on here as to when the general disappears.

ByronB

Assemblies of people usually accomplish more harm then good IMO... and in a republic a majority can over rule and oppress a minority. I for one know I am not part of the majority and that participating in "the republic" is quite futile as an end all solution, using the governments rules to try to bring about freedom is and always will be a losing war.

As far as the website goes... either you've been taken in by a scam artist or you're trying to scam people here, you've come to the wrong place... Liberty activists such as those here tend to be notorious skeptics... Ha Ha you wasted your time, no money for you from anyone here.