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This guy might be onto something

Started by Josh, March 28, 2009, 03:38 PM NHFT

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Josh

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/26/streaming-mad-206-in-urine-soaked-coins-is-not-acceptable-paym/

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Michael Harold Lynch was ticketed for doing 54 mph in a 35 mph area that was also a construction zone. The fine was $206. Lynch decided to let his anger flow by placing $206 in a plastic bag, peeing in the bag and sending it in. Upon receiving Lynch's little care package, the courthouse staff gave it to a police officer and declined to accept the pungent payment to clear the ticket.

Turns out Lynch didn't break any laws – it's not necessarily illegal to mail bodily fluids. The pee-and-pennies were sent back to Lynch – COD, in fact – with a note that said they couldn't be taken because "the pile of coins emitted a strong, pungent odor of stale urine." Lynch responded by sending a check made out to another agency, which was returned, then he sent a check for the wrong amount. Now he's on the hook for $271 because his payment is late. We wonder what he has in store for number round 2...

Don't they have to accept gov't issued coins as payment? Something about legal tender for all debts...

jzacker

Quote from: Josh on March 28, 2009, 03:38 PM NHFT
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/26/streaming-mad-206-in-urine-soaked-coins-is-not-acceptable-paym/

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Michael Harold Lynch was ticketed for doing 54 mph in a 35 mph area that was also a construction zone. The fine was $206. Lynch decided to let his anger flow by placing $206 in a plastic bag, peeing in the bag and sending it in. Upon receiving Lynch's little care package, the courthouse staff gave it to a police officer and declined to accept the pungent payment to clear the ticket.

Turns out Lynch didn't break any laws – it's not necessarily illegal to mail bodily fluids. The pee-and-pennies were sent back to Lynch – COD, in fact – with a note that said they couldn't be taken because "the pile of coins emitted a strong, pungent odor of stale urine." Lynch responded by sending a check made out to another agency, which was returned, then he sent a check for the wrong amount. Now he's on the hook for $271 because his payment is late. We wonder what he has in store for number round 2...

Don't they have to accept gov't issued coins as payment? Something about legal tender for all debts...

No they dont have to accept it if they feel there is some risk associated with it.  Urine isn't exactly clean and safe.  Suppose he covered the coins with Salmonella?  Do they have to accept the coins then?  Of course not.   I really surprised he wasn't changed with something here. 

John Edward Mercier

Actually, I believe they do have to accept the 'legal tender'...

I've never heard of getting salmonella from urine. The heavy urine smell they would have notice would have been from a urea (nitrogen compound) rather than sulfur compounds associated with salmonella.

ByronB

"Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odorless."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine

jzacker

Quote from: John Edward Mercier on March 29, 2009, 12:01 PM NHFT
Actually, I believe they do have to accept the 'legal tender'...

I've never heard of getting salmonella from urine. The heavy urine smell they would have notice would have been from a urea (nitrogen compound) rather than sulfur compounds associated with salmonella.


I didn't say urine caused Salmonella, I said 'suppose he had covered the coins in Salmonella'.  The point being that if the legal tender is covered in something that could pose a danger, then I don't think they are required to accept.

Do you want people to start paying you in pee-covered coins?

Quote from: ByronB on March 30, 2009, 02:54 AM NHFT
"Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odorless."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine

Well they sent it back saying it smelled, so I guess something was wrong with that urine.

dalebert

Quote from: jzacker on March 30, 2009, 04:41 AM NHFT
Do you want people to start paying you in pee-covered coins?

No and I won't demand payment for fabricated victimless violations in a mafia style manner. The point here is that statists made a law that their paper monopoly money MUST be accepted for all debts. They made their bed...

John Edward Mercier


K. Darien Freeheart


jzacker

Quote from: dalebert on March 30, 2009, 11:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on March 30, 2009, 04:41 AM NHFT
Do you want people to start paying you in pee-covered coins?

No and I won't demand payment for fabricated victimless violations in a mafia style manner. The point here is that statists made a law that their paper monopoly money MUST be accepted for all debts. They made their bed...


So lets say I only accept payment in Liberty dollars.  Should I accept pee-covered Liberty dollars because that is the money I agreed to accept?

Coconut

Quote from: jzacker on March 31, 2009, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on March 30, 2009, 11:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on March 30, 2009, 04:41 AM NHFT
Do you want people to start paying you in pee-covered coins?

No and I won't demand payment for fabricated victimless violations in a mafia style manner. The point here is that statists made a law that their paper monopoly money MUST be accepted for all debts. They made their bed...


So lets say I only accept payment in Liberty dollars.  Should I accept pee-covered Liberty dollars because that is the money I agreed to accept?

If you held a gun to someone and demanded Liberty dollars in exchange for nothing, you deserve whatever covered Liberty dollars you get.

J’raxis 270145

Quote from: Coconut on March 31, 2009, 09:30 AM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on March 31, 2009, 09:08 AM NHFT
Quote from: dalebert on March 30, 2009, 11:20 AM NHFT
Quote from: jzacker on March 30, 2009, 04:41 AM NHFT
Do you want people to start paying you in pee-covered coins?

No and I won't demand payment for fabricated victimless violations in a mafia style manner. The point here is that statists made a law that their paper monopoly money MUST be accepted for all debts. They made their bed...


So lets say I only accept payment in Liberty dollars.  Should I accept pee-covered Liberty dollars because that is the money I agreed to accept?

If you held a gun to someone and demanded Liberty dollars in exchange for nothing, you deserve whatever covered Liberty dollars you get.

+1

David

I have read somewhere they may consider this a biological threat.   ::)  I think it is unwise to actually do it.  Paying in clean unrolled pennies is a better idea. 

Sam A. Robrin

Quote from: David on April 07, 2009, 10:00 AM NHFT
I have read somewhere they may consider this a biological threat.   ::)  I think it is unwise to actually do it.  Paying in clean unrolled pennies is a better idea. 

But, as I find myself pointing out with ever more frequency, they pretend to perceive threats anywhere they can find them, just to justify their insatiability for bullying.

John Edward Mercier

Especially since urine seldom poses such a threat... now if I crapped in the bag... well, then they're on to something.

Mike Barskey