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Kat Kanning

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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 09:48 AM NHFT »

Those bomb throwing pacifists really irk me.
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Sam A. Robrin

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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 03:02 PM NHFT »

Next will be the Pacifists.  ;D

Reports are already extant categorizing Quakers as potential terrorists.
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2009, 05:14 PM NHFT »

The black-clad, red bandana-masked, rock throwing "anarchists"communists have been burning cars and smashing windows at every G-whatever meeting for a couple of decades now. No doubt some of them are provocateurs, but many are just brainwashed angry yutes who believe capitalism is evil.

The G20 isn't really about free market though... the capitalistic aspects of it are more corporatist and socialist in nature.

Absolutely true. Corporatism is the fiscal model of Facism. But these protesters seem oppose to wealth in any form. Except, of course, the trust funds that paid for their elite educations, and which let them live without real jobs.
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2009, 05:24 PM NHFT »

Next will be the Pacifists.  ;D

Reports are already extant categorizing Quakers as potential terrorists.

I have this sick feeling that you're not joking.
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2009, 05:29 PM NHFT »

Next will be the Pacifists.  ;D

Reports are already extant categorizing Quakers as potential terrorists.

I have this sick feeling that you're not joking.


Hey ya never know what there shipping around in the oatmeal boxes!
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2009, 09:09 PM NHFT »


Reports are already extant categorizing Quakers as potential terrorists.


I have this sick feeling that you're not joking.


Well, to be fair, John McCain did start off all his comments with, "Friend..."
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2009, 09:11 PM NHFT »

Next will be the Pacifists.  ;D

Reports are already extant categorizing Quakers as potential terrorists.

 So THAT'S who stole my oatmeal.  ^-^
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2009, 10:40 PM NHFT »

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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2009, 02:04 PM NHFT »

The black-clad, red bandana-masked, rock throwing "anarchists"communists have been burning cars and smashing windows at every G-whatever meeting for a couple of decades now. No doubt some of them are provocateurs, but many are just brainwashed angry yutes who believe capitalism is evil.

The G20 isn't really about free market though... the capitalistic aspects of it are more corporatist and socialist in nature.

Absolutely true. Corporatism is the fiscal model of Facism. But these protesters seem oppose to wealth in any form. Except, of course, the trust funds that paid for their elite educations, and which let them live without real jobs.

But the politicos trying to strike a balance between the economics are pushing the extremes of the continuum.
Its like having your right and left wrist pulled on in opposing directions... sooner or later something has to give... but in the meantime you try to make yourself comfortable and ignore the pain.
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2009, 02:14 PM NHFT »

Glad I'm a Voluntaryist. ;)

That's a good point Kevin.  There are people, I call them left anarchists, who engage in non-peaceful actions.  Get a good brand name for Voluntarist (Voluntaryist?) going and then (poof) you're not a part of the Bugaboo.  Until next week, when there will be a bugaboo about voluntarists. 
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2009, 06:15 PM NHFT »

Glad I'm a Voluntaryist. ;)

There are people, I call them left anarchists, who engage in non-peaceful actions. 

That's because they believe property relations as currently configured ARE force and thus non-peaceful and their actions are purely defensive in nature.
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2009, 09:10 PM NHFT »

oh, they've been doing this for a very long time. I remember the seattle WTO protest where the news kept on saying that the anarchist were attacking the police, but they only ever showed anarchist getting the snot beat out of them by the police. And they did not retaliate in any of the videos. Or at least the ones I saw.

The propaganda works; when I first ordered materials on libertarianism, my parents freaked because they thought I was going to become an anarchist and blow stuff up. Well, they were sorta right...
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2009, 11:58 AM NHFT »

The black-clad, red bandana-masked, rock throwing "anarchists"communists have been burning cars and smashing windows at every G-whatever meeting for a couple of decades now. No doubt some of them are provocateurs, but many are just brainwashed angry yutes who believe capitalism is evil.

The G20 isn't really about free market though... the capitalistic aspects of it are more corporatist and socialist in nature.

Absolutely true. Corporatism is the fiscal model of Facism. But these protesters seem oppose to wealth in any form. Except, of course, the trust funds that paid for their elite educations, and which let them live without real jobs.


Most beliefs that people carry have elements of truth.  Both right, and left.  The older I get, the more I see the elements of truth in leftist ideology, including the wealth aspect.  I have wondered for a while now if the lefts distrust of the wealthy may be more than just class envy.  The bailouts under Bush the "Decider", and Obama the 2nd decider, made it crystal clear that many, though not all wealthy are just as parasitical as the politicians. 

Rand wondered why leaders in business did not directly challenge the gov't, in fact, she was frustrated by the fact that they didn't.  But why challenge something that you benefit from?  Bill Gates benefited from copyright, Warren Buffet and his Geico insurance from mandatory insurance in virtually every state, oh, and his overpriced patented Kirby vacuums.  One of the largest employers in Keene has as its core focus's health products and 'defense' products, both completely regulated. 
Collectivization, aka, painting with a broad brush is to be avoided, but the left is right, many, though not all, business people are just as morally crooked as the gov't.  Atlas will never shrug, not intentionally anyway, though it may die of cancerous exhaustion.   :-\
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2009, 03:30 PM NHFT »


That's a good point Kevin.  There are people, I call them left anarchists, who engage in non-peaceful actions.  Get a good brand name for Voluntarist (Voluntaryist?) going and then (poof) you're not a part of the Bugaboo.  Until next week, when there will be a bugaboo about voluntarists. 

I take particular issue with this, as I consider myself a left anarchist. Left anarchists have since the foundations of classical Anarchism opposed violence and vandalism as a means to achieve their goals. Bakunin (whom most of these anarchists take much of their philosophy from) decried wanton violence against the State as terrorism, which only serves to turn the uninformed masses against the cause. Of course, it should be clearly pointed out that he had no problem with armed revolution, which I don't think any of us really oppose if it came down to it. Goldman plainly stated that (paraphrasing) "violence should not be used because those who know best how to use violence are already in league with the State", or put plainly, we can't beat them at their own game and we would only be stooping to their level.

Now, that said, this entire thread bugs the shit out of me. You're all so quick to classify AnComms and AnSynds as "the bomb throwers", when the reality is that "the bomb throwers" are a fringe of our further Left brethren in and of itself. As far as I can tell, most of the people who have posted in here are guilty of trying to create a rift that shouldn't fucking be there. What ever happened to Anarchism Without Adjectives? Who gives a fuck about economic preference within the context of anarchism?

All of this denial of them being "real anarchists" has started to get to me lately. They're just as entitled to the tradition as we are, even if some of them don't see it that way (and lord knows it goes the other way as well).
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Re: Anarchists the new Bugaboo?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2009, 03:41 PM NHFT »

Well said, A.J.
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