tobacco tax HIKE with a capital HIKE

[penguinsscareme]

I stopped buying cigarettes by the pack the first time I had to pay $5/pack and started rolling my own.  I think that was in '05.  Back in September I took a trip down to the Cape and forgot to bring my can with me -- I had to pay $7.91 for a pack of Luckies.  How anyone can afford that is a mystery that shall haunt me to the grave.

Anyway...the can of loose rolling tobacco I used to buy for $13.76/6 oz. now costs, I kid you not, $30.96.  I will not be buying tobacco anymore.  What a bunch of crap.  Even at the modest rate of a pack a week, this not only prices me out of the market but also frosts my cupcakes to where I'm just all done.

[ByronB]

Grow your own tobacco?

[erisian]

Grow your own tobacco?

 

No tax on that,,,yet.

[Puke]

Tobacco ain't carrots.
It's a rather involved process to create your own smoking tobacco.

This is a scary portent. THe goons won't outlaw stuff anymore, just tax the holy shit out of it.
Ammo will probably be next.

[Tom Sawyer]

Marihuana Tax Act of 1937

[erisian]

Marihuana Tax Act of 1937

Yeah, there was that, but...

The 1937 Act was repealed by the 1970 (Controlled Substances) Act.

So no tax anymore, just illegal. If it gets legalized, then it would be taxed.

[Lloyd Danforth]

It looks as though some states are beginning to realize that it could be more profitable to collect fines  for possession than to house and feed people for it.  Can legalization and insanely large taxes be around the corner in the new word order?

[Tom Sawyer]

Marihuana Tax Act of 1937

Yeah, there was that, but...

The 1937 Act was repealed by the 1970 (Controlled Substances) Act.

So no tax anymore, just illegal. If it gets legalized, then it would be taxed.

My point was not that there is a current federal tax on marijuana, although there are state level taxes some places. It was that is the way they made it illegal.

I also believe that they weren't allowed to make marijuana illegal without a constitutional amendment, like they had to have to ban alcohol.

[Lloyd Danforth]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1889021,00.html



Why Legalizing Marijuana Makes Sense
By Joe Klein Thursday, Apr. 02, 2009

For the past several years, I've been harboring a fantasy, a last political crusade for the baby-boom generation. We, who started on the path of righteousness, marching for civil rights and against the war in Vietnam, need to find an appropriately high-minded approach to life's exit ramp. In this case, I mean the high-minded part literally. And so, a deal: give us drugs, after a certain age — say, 80 — all drugs, any drugs we want. In return, we will give you our driver's licenses. (I mean, can you imagine how terrifying a nation of decrepit, solipsistic 90-year-old boomers behind the wheel would be?) We'll let you proceed with your lives — much of which will be spent paying for our retirement, in any case — without having to hear us complain about our every ache and reflux. We'll be too busy exploring altered states of consciousness. I even have a slogan for the campaign: "Tune in, turn on, drop dead."


A fantasy, I suppose. But, beneath the furious roil of the economic crisis, a national conversation has quietly begun about the irrationality of our drug laws. It is going on in state legislatures, like New York's, where the draconian Rockefeller drug laws are up for review; in other states, from California to Massachusetts, various forms of marijuana decriminalization are being enacted. And it has reached the floor of Congress, where Senators Jim Webb and Arlen Specter have proposed a major prison-reform package, which would directly address drug-sentencing policy. (See pictures of stoner cinema.)

There are also more puckish signs of a zeitgeist shift. A few weeks ago, the White House decided to stage a forum in which the President would answer questions submitted by the public; 92,000 people responded — and most of them seemed obsessed with the legalization of marijuana. The two most popular questions about "green jobs and energy," for example, were about pot. The President dismissed the outpouring — appropriately, I guess — as online ballot-stuffing and dismissed the legalization question with a simple: "No." (Read: "Can Marijuana Help Rescue California's Economy?")

This was a rare instance of Barack Obama reacting reflexively, without attempting to think creatively, about a serious policy question. He was, in fact, taking the traditional path of least resistance: an unexpected answer on marijuana would have launched a tabloid firestorm, diverting attention from the budget fight and all those bailouts. In fact, the default fate of any politician who publicly considers the legalization of marijuana is to be cast into the outer darkness. Such a person is assumed to be stoned all the time, unworthy of being taken seriously. Such a person would be lacerated by the assorted boozehounds and pill poppers of talk radio. The hypocrisy inherent in the American conversation about stimulants is staggering.

But there are big issues here, issues of economy and simple justice, especially on the sentencing side. As Webb pointed out in a cover story in Parade magazine, the U.S. is, by far, the most "criminal" country in the world, with 5% of the world's population and 25% of its prisoners. We spend $68 billion per year on corrections, and one-third of those being corrected are serving time for nonviolent drug crimes. We spend about $150 billion on policing and courts, and 47.5% of all arrests are marijuana-related. That is an awful lot of money, most of it nonfederal, that could be spent on better schools or infrastructure — or simply returned to the public. (See the top 10 ballot measures.)

At the same time, there is an enormous potential windfall in the taxation of marijuana. It is estimated that pot is the largest cash crop in California, with annual revenues approaching $14 billion. A 10% pot tax would yield $1.4 billion in California alone. And that's probably a fraction of the revenues that would be available — and of the economic impact, with thousands of new jobs in agriculture, packaging, marketing and advertising. A veritable marijuana economic-stimulus package! (Read: "Is Pot Good For You?")

So why not do it? There are serious moral arguments, both secular and religious. There are those who believe — with some good reason — that the accretion of legalized vices is debilitating, that we are a less virtuous society since gambling spilled out from Las Vegas to "riverboats" and state lotteries across the country. There is a medical argument, though not a very convincing one: alcohol is more dangerous in a variety of ways, including the tendency of some drunks to get violent. One could argue that the abuse of McDonald's has a greater potential health-care cost than the abuse of marijuana. (Although it's true that with legalization, those two might not be unrelated.) Obviously, marijuana can be abused. But the costs of criminalization have proved to be enormous, perhaps unsustainable. Would legalization be any worse?

In any case, the drug-reform discussion comes just at the right moment. We boomers are getting older every day. You're not going to want us on the highways. Make us your best offer.

[erisian]

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[Sam A. Robrin]

My prediction is that marijuana will be made legal just in time to placate all those kids being drafted into the newly formed charity corps (What is the plural of that?  It isn't corpses . . .).  Local community will use petty ordinances on higher amounts or other substances to compel the choice of a term in a snakepit jail or a stint in charity corps.

[penguinsscareme]

     
 

No tax on that,,,yet.

How much nicotine is in it?

[David]

Grow your own tobacco?

Methinks that is or will soon start.  I know that smuggling to evade sales taxes is already a growth business.  A few years ago they caught some guys smuggling to finance a 'terrorist' organization or something. 
It is only an issue of profit margin versus risk. 

[erisian]

     
 

No tax on that,,,yet.

How much nicotine is in it?

You'll forget all about nicotine!

[Pat McCotter]

April 1st the fed tax per pack of cigarettes went from $0.39 to $1.01 but ... the cigarette manufacturers raised their prices March 12th. They made sure to get their cut before the government did, then they raised them some more on April 1st ... just because.